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11-20-2007, 11:12 PM
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1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
May be it is a simple hand, but I am always finding myself lost in such pots with TT or JJ.
Villain is 28/5/2.5. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Hero ($1000) Button ($200) SB ($1127) BB ($2807.49) UTG ($1255) Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($80) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $70</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $230</font>, Hero?? Against a donk I usually shove right now, with QQ+ I shove against almost all players (or wait for turn to shove), but with TT, JJ I dont really know what to do: if I shove I usually will be called only by hands that beat me (so I risk too much to win a little), if I call, what to do on turn (should I call if villain bets big, should I bet if villain checks?)? 
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#4
11-20-2007, 11:40 PM
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Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
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[ QUOTE ] Well, unless the player is tricky (which is possible), wouldn't JJ = AA here? [/ QUOTE ] Look at his pf raise, I think AA-QQ are all in his range. [/ QUOTE ] you raised he cold called
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#6
11-20-2007, 11:46 PM
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Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
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[ QUOTE ] Well, unless the player is tricky (which is possible), wouldn't JJ = AA here? [/ QUOTE ] Look at his pf raise, I think AA-QQ are all in his range. [/ QUOTE ] He is talking about his pf raise%. This is tricky spot, it depends on how he plays the flop. His c/r is pretty big and his aggression is pretty low, dont think he will do this that much at all. This really looks like a made hand to me. With other players it depends on how often they are going to check raise the flop like this as a bluff catcher, or with top pair. Since the flop is pretty dry, it is really prone to being c/r a lot. Against most players, without much information, I think calling the flop and revaluating the turn since you do have possition. Edit: I would personally bet smaller on the flop or check the flop for pot control agaisnt a lot of players that would love to c/r this flop.
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#7
11-20-2007, 11:51 PM
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Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Well, unless the player is tricky (which is possible), wouldn't JJ = AA here? [/ QUOTE ] Look at his pf raise, I think AA-QQ are all in his range. [/ QUOTE ] He is talking about his pf raise%. This is tricky spot, it depends on how he plays the flop. His c/r is pretty big and his aggression is pretty low, dont think he will do this that much at all. This really looks like a made hand to me. With other players it depends on how often they are going to check raise the flop like this as a bluff catcher, or with top pair. Since the flop is pretty dry, it is really prone to being c/r a lot. Against most players, without much information, I think calling the flop and revaluating the turn since you do have possition. Edit: I would personally bet smaller on the flop or check the flop for pot control agaisnt a lot of players that would love to c/r this flop. [/ QUOTE ] His agression is not low, I think it is high. Look at hit VPIP, 2.5 with VPIP 28 is like, 20VPIP and 4 af. Guys with such stats usually very agressive postflop.
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#8
11-20-2007, 11:57 PM
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Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
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Eh, I fold. You bet way too much on the flop imo. [/ QUOTE ] I think fold - is a mistake here, Such guys make such moves quite often with air. Of course he check-raised me a bit big, but I dont think that is enough to fold.
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#10
11-21-2007, 12:39 AM
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Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr
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no way u can fold this. u can't give a guy credit for set or JJ+. Call and stick it in on a lot of turns. [/ QUOTE ] Of course I can, but not only because he chr me on a blank flop.
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