i flop middle set str8 and flush draws are out. you play it

[Sherman]

So you "knew" button was going to raise you. WTF. Sure you line is optimal if you know that button is going to raise. But how do you know button is going to raise? He was getting great odds in position PF to call. He could have any number of cards here.

This just seems really results oriented to me. If you flat call and he calls and the turn brings a flush card, UTG checks, you bet and button shoves (a pretty realistic result) you wouldn't be posting this.

Sherman

[J.A.K.]

I've gotten myself into trouble eking out extra value on coordinated boards with my sets. But this is against a single villain. With more than one opponent and this flop, I call here 0% of the time. Adding 30% to your starting stack is a good thing. I'm probably just overbet shoving the flop.

[black666]

Raise PF.
Raise flop.

What kind of buy-in is this from?

[hamnegger]

i really really hope all these people who keep saying reraise preflop read this. because i completely disagree. the raiser is utg we have to give him credit for a strong hand. he knows this so a reraise allows him to play perfect poker. if he has a hand worse than jj he folds. perhaps ace q is only hand a raise is good against and folds. if he has jacks beat we are cooked and if he has ak he sees 5 cards. my positional advantage is gone. i love you 3 betting guys w jj w 30bb+ bc when i raise utg w kings you give me all your chips. and sherman i don't KNOW he is going to raise but i think there is a good chance he will.if he hits a flush (rare so rare i don't even worry about it) he will either win all my chips or i will fill up. the 4 flusher w an over card SHOULD RAISE given this action before him anyway. I WANT THAT. ill take better than 2:1 on my $$$ anyday. sherman this would all change if stacks were big

[black666]

1. please hit the "enter" key at least 2 or 3 times in your posts
2. you haven't answered my question about the buyin.

You have the 4th best hand in poker, so why not 3-bet in position? You can't always see monsters under the bed (KK). I've seen people call or shove behind you with A-rag and 55+

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i love you 3 betting guys w jj w 30bb+ bc when i raise utg w kings you give me all your chips.

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Guess what .. I love you guys flat calling with JJ when I'm holding a suited connector on the button or in the blinds. You allow me to see a cheap flop and give me all your chips once I flop a monster.

The whole reason for the PF 3-bet is to isolate the UTG villain. Once you call you are inviting everyone to join the family pot. You can consider yourself lucky that both blinds folded after the button called.

[hamnegger]

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1. please hit the "enter" key at least 2 or 3 times in your posts
2. you haven't answered my question about the buyin.

You have the 4th best hand in poker, so why not 3-bet in position? You can't always see monsters under the bed (KK). I've seen people call or shove behind you with A-rag and 55+

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i love you 3 betting guys w jj w 30bb+ bc when i raise utg w kings you give me all your chips.

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Guess what .. I love you guys flat calling with JJ when I'm holding a suited connector on the button or in the blinds. You allow me to see a cheap flop and give me all your chips once I flop a monster.



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1. yes i should hit enter

2. 50 buy in

3 we agree to disagree gl which is good bc not everybody should play the same it would be friggin boring

[Sherman]

Ham. I don't mind the call PF.

I dislike not raising on the flop. You say a guy "should" raise with a pair and flush draw behind you, but what if he just has the flush draw? He certainly should NOT raise and should take a look at the turn getting a great price.

Sherman