Wrong # of chips given at start of tourney

[AngusThermopyle]

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I'm still fairly certain that I counted my stack at >7500 TC after the tourney started (five 1k chips, five 500 chips, twelve 100 chips, seven 25 chips). I'm also fairly certain that the stacks around me were very similar to mine, which contributed to my silence; a mistake I won't make again.



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Also, you knew for certain at the first break that the starting stack was 7500. Yet you did not say anything until you busted out, nearly an hour later.

[bav]

Let's just close this out with "bht was mistaken" and "Anthony and Tim handled it all correctly."

I appreciate Tim and Anthony getting on and clearing things up. Very cool.

[EWillers]

First off I want to thank the tourney director and coordinator for contributing to this thread. That being said, I must also say that part of Mr. Mix's post seems malicious.

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Both of these are complete lies. I would really like to know where you came up with 8775 for a chip count i mean if your going to make up a story atleast put something together that is somewhat reasonable.

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I certainly don't want to spread complete lies. Also, it's not like I conjured up this situation out of wholecloth. Here are the facts as I understood them.

1) My buddy at the start of the tourney noticed that he had more than 7500 chips. Everyone at the table had the same # of chips as him.

2) During the 1st break he asked me how many chips he was supposed to start with. I told him 7500 and he told me he started with more (like 8775 or something). I told him what's done is done and that I can't see a floor being able to fix any problem at this point and advised him to wait til he was out of the tourney to tell the floor. I figured if there was a problem the floor should be notified and could spread word to dealers to take better care in counting starting chips (or some other corrective action for the future).

3) After my buddy busted out, he told the floor he and everyone at the table started with more chips than they should have.

4) My buddy went back to talk to the floor about 10 minutes later. He was told by the floor that 1) at the table in question each player started with 9000 chips (not 7500) and 2) that to correct the situation he was going to take 1500 from each player's stack who started at that table.

5) That was the last my buddy spoke to the floor.


I certainly don't dispute the V's staff when they say that chips were not taken from players' stacks. That's what they're sayin', I'm sure that's true.


But it was conveyed to my buddy that the above corrective action was going to take place. Apparently it didn't.

It's very possible that my buddy was mistaken about the starting chips at his table and that there was no issue at the begining of the tourney.

There may have been misunderstandings in the communication between my buddy and the floor and between my buddy and me, but the above is pretty much what happened as it was related to me.

The only reason I'm writing this is because the V Tourney Director seemed to imply that I'm just makin' this chain of events up.


I'm much more creative when I put my mind to "making up a story." [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[EWillers]

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Also, you knew for certain at the first break that the starting stack was 7500. Yet you did not say anything until you busted out, nearly an hour later.


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The "you" in question is my buddy. He asked me for advice as to what to do during the 1st break (when I told him that he was sposed to start with 7500).

I advised him to wait til the tourney was over to tell the floor. I figured that no corrective action could really be taken.

It's kind of like when a hand is over. If he had told me 1/2 way through level 2 a pot was awarded to a straight over a flush I would have told him the same thing. Wait til the tourney is over and then tell the floor (so that they may take action to prevent it in the future).

We all know the floor can't go back in time to fix problems with a hand--I applied the same logic to this situation. Whether they're actually analogous is a matter of debate. I made a judgement call on this one.

(This all may be hypothetical given that it seems that there may not have been any chip discrepancy in the first place, but I think it presents an interesting issue nevertheless.)

[anthonychester]

Ok this the problem as many of my players that have read this post then spoken to me personally. The player that says he started with to many chips should never waited till the 1st break to say something to his friend and then the second break to say something to me. I've been told things from he is a cheater to ban him from playing here. These actions are a little to extreme I would never ban anyone for this and as far as being a cheater thats a little rough too. Those who know me know I'm strict, but forgiving and always give someone a second chance. So I say this to that player like I said on tuesday, don't speak up after the fact speak up before the trny started. My dealers are very well trained on how to set up for the tournaments and remember this to all we are human mistakes do happen from time to time so please leave dealers alone and voice your frustrations to the management

[Bluegrass Poker]

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The player that says he started with to many chips should never waited till the 1st break to say something to his friend and then the second break to say something to me.

So I say this to that player like I said on tuesday, don't speak up after the fact speak up before the trny started.

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Maybe I'm misreading the OP but, giving the player the benefit of the doubt, it seems to me the player saying he had too many chips wasn't aware of that fact until he spoke to his buddy at the first break. The original poster stated his buddy rarely plays tournaments so maybe he was unaware of how many chips he was supposed to have. If he didn't know then how could he have brought it to anyone's attention.

The most puzzling part to me is that 8775 in chips didn't seem odd enough to him to ask? I've never seen any tournament start with a chip stack that strange?

[Al_Capone_Junior]

And don't admit where you work or what your real name is. Unless you are the owner of a small room or ceo of the corporation, corporate jerkoffs who get ahold of your posts will almost certainly use what you say only against you. What's more, they will probably twist it around in their effort to ruin you, even if what you said caused no actual problem.

Let me give you an example from a real life casino. Two posters whose identities were known discuss issues from their room on this very forum. Corporate scumbag cuts and pastes specific passages, but not the entire post, twists around the discussions and completely change their meaning, and sends it to the big casino boss. Employees show up to work where their writeups have already been completed, conclusions drawn based solely on the cut and pasted text. No one will actually look at the whole conversation, and employees are only saved from being fired by a friend with a lot of clout who saves them. This paperwork still goes into their personelle files anyway, and is later used as the sole basis to deny one of them being rehired 18 months after they left in otherwise good standing. They left almost a year after the incident, so it was almost two and a half years and this bullcrap still haunted them.

Corporations are scum, and they have plenty of corporate lackeys ready to screw anyone and everyone for no reason at all. Some of these scumbags lurk on this forum, so either listen to my advice, or don't come a cryin' here when you get screwed.

Al

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Let me give you an example from a real life casino. Two posters whose identities were known discuss issues from their room on this very forum. Corporate scumbag cuts and pastes specific passages, but not the entire post, twists around the discussions and completely change their meaning, and sends it to the big casino boss. Employees show up to work where their writeups have already been completed, conclusions drawn based solely on the cut and pasted text. No one will actually look at the whole conversation, and employees are only saved from being fired by a friend with a lot of clout who saves them. This paperwork still goes into their personelle files anyway, and is later used as the sole basis to deny one of them being rehired 18 months after they left in otherwise good standing. They left almost a year after the incident, so it was almost two and a half years and this bullcrap still haunted them.


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Lemme guess, a Harrah's room?

[psandman]

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Let me give you an example from a real life casino. Two posters whose identities were known discuss issues from their room on this very forum. Corporate scumbag cuts and pastes specific passages, but not the entire post, twists around the discussions and completely change their meaning, and sends it to the big casino boss. Employees show up to work where their writeups have already been completed, conclusions drawn based solely on the cut and pasted text. No one will actually look at the whole conversation, and employees are only saved from being fired by a friend with a lot of clout who saves them. This paperwork still goes into their personelle files anyway, and is later used as the sole basis to deny one of them being rehired 18 months after they left in otherwise good standing. They left almost a year after the incident, so it was almost two and a half years and this bullcrap still haunted them.


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Lemme guess, a Harrah's room?

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Don't be silly no former Harrah's employee would ever try to go back.

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Let me give you an example from a real life casino. Two posters whose identities were known discuss issues from their room on this very forum. Corporate scumbag cuts and pastes specific passages, but not the entire post, twists around the discussions and completely change their meaning, and sends it to the big casino boss. Employees show up to work where their writeups have already been completed, conclusions drawn based solely on the cut and pasted text. No one will actually look at the whole conversation, and employees are only saved from being fired by a friend with a lot of clout who saves them. This paperwork still goes into their personelle files anyway, and is later used as the sole basis to deny one of them being rehired 18 months after they left in otherwise good standing. They left almost a year after the incident, so it was almost two and a half years and this bullcrap still haunted them.


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Lemme guess, a Harrah's room?

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Don't be silly no former Harrah's employee would ever try to go back.

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LOL

But some dealers I've come across are brain-dead stuuuuuuuupid, and in this enviroment, desparate for work, so...