TT first hand at table!

[Jay_Whufc]

No reads/stats as first hand at table. Whats my action here?
Incidentally, does everyone re raise here given we are completely in dark over opponents.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $152.75
SB: $27.95
Hero (BB): $50
UTG: $43.85
CO: $83.30

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.75, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.25</font>, UTG folds, BTN calls $5.25, <font color="red">SB raises to $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero ???

[kroeliewoelie]

With 3 people in the pot preflop and being OOP to 2, I call for setvalue.

As played the fold to 4bet is easy IMO. This guy in the SB wanted to slowplay a monster and sees it isn;t necessary because he gets action already.

[Spurious]

I like the 3bet preflop, because of the dead money in the pot and we can easily shut down ATs+,AJo+ postflop by cbetting a safe flop.

But we got to fold to his 4bet here.

[Tito]

Nice 3-bet preflop. Gotta fold to the 4-bet though. I'm curious as to why SB just didn't put it all in?? I guess maybe hoping for a call? I've also seen them do this as a total bluff and then fold when you push them all in but I don't know. I would fold with no reads.

[IAGTTAYM]

Well, we need around 34-35% to shove so it's close.
Our 3-bet could easily be a squeeze, so I would probably gamble here.

[ama0330]

lol @ preflop, if you're gonna do this do it with 72o. As played fold but I just call preflop, your hand is good but vulnerable and you want to get to sd - bloating the pot is not a very good way to do this, especially given that you are brand new to the table.

[Khaos4k]

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Well, we need around 34-35% to shove so it's close.
Our 3-bet could easily be a squeeze, so I would probably gamble here.

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The avg villain in the micros has no idea what a squeeze play is.

[Jay_Whufc]

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lol @ preflop, if you're gonna do this do it with 72o. As played fold but I just call preflop, your hand is good but vulnerable and you want to get to sd - bloating the pot is not a very good way to do this, especially given that you are brand new to the table.

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Good points, but I still dont want to play the fifth best pre flop holding in a 5 way min raised pot OOP.
I basically have to c/f all flops with overcards and not know where I really stand when the flop comes 872r for example.
How do you go about getting to SD from preflop in 5 way pot OOP???
I think my 3bet pre flop makes the whole hand so much easier to play post flop. It is quite possible (very likely) you are a better post flop player then I am, which is why you advocate calling. Thats fair enough, but please consider people who, in all likelihood, are not as good postflop.

As for 'lol @ preflop' comment, its a bit condescending tbh

[ama0330]

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How do you go about getting to SD from preflop in 5 way pot OOP???

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Id rather cf the flop than spend a bunch of money turning my hand into a bluff. You are thinking too much about TT being the "5th best hand in poker", this is 1st level and wont get you anywhere. AA is the best hand in poker until 45s hits a flush, do you see what I mean? TT over 3 streets of betting between 5 people will sometimes be the best hand, but not always. But as a pure bluff, raising ANY hand out of the SB multiway and expecting to take it down either preflop or on the flop is ambitious at best.

[Jay_Whufc]

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How do you go about getting to SD from preflop in 5 way pot OOP???

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Id rather cf the flop than spend a bunch of money turning my hand into a bluff. You are thinking too much about TT being the "5th best hand in poker", this is 1st level and wont get you anywhere. AA is the best hand in poker until 45s hits a flush, do you see what I mean? TT over 3 streets of betting between 5 people will sometimes be the best hand, but not always. But as a pure bluff, raising ANY hand out of the SB multiway and expecting to take it down either preflop or on the flop is ambitious at best.

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Im not raising as a bluff, Im raising for value, I believe I have the best hand and dont want to let crap like K5s or QJo get a cheap flop to outdraw me.
My mention of the fifth best hand in poker was basically me saying I think 1010 is a little too strong to start playing a multiway pot here, 22-99 I just call along.