AP thread 872.6 - Statement ITT

[Dima2000123]

AP is full of [censored]. Who would've thought?

[Tzadik]

Why don't they relase the name of the so called "high level consultant". Are they protecting the identity of this high level consultant ( if we wanna believe their story) who breached their system and caused them huge damages?

Cmon....If nothing else then this statement should confirm to any thinking person that Absolute is a crooked organization up until the highest level...

[zen_rounder]

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In the Enron case that happened a few years ago, didn't they initially audit themselves that turned up to be a bogus audit?

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The auditor was Arthur Andersen. The "big four" accounting firms that have been mentioned in this thread used to be the "big five".

[/ QUOTE ]exactly. transparency is not a priority with such gigantic sums of money at stake. i dont think we will get satisfaction out of this

[apefish]

At least I can stop making popcorn now.

Gonna watch football, play poker at any place but Absolute Poker, and watch any movies that don't star Graham Greene as my protest for the day.

[pokerstudAA]

What a load of BS statement. Keep up the pressure guys.


THE PLAYERS
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ABSOLUTE POKER
"Absolute Poker and the Absolute Poker website are solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec." Established in 2003, AbsolutePoker.com is headquartered in Costa Rica and licensed and regulated in Canada.

Absolute Poker purchased Ultimate Bet in Oct, 2006. $10 million in cash and about $140 million in 5 future annual payments.

A company profile from ZOOM INFO shows a corporate address as:
P.O. Box 025292
Miami, FL 33102-5292
USA

KAHNAWAKE GAMING COMMISSION KCG WEBSITE
P.O. Box 1799
Old Malone Highway
Kahnawake Mohawk Territory, QC J0L 1B0
CANADA

Established June 10, 1996 and presently comprised of three members appointed by the Mohawk Council of Kahnawake: David Montour (Chairperson), Melanie Mayo, and Kevin Kennedy. The Commission is empowered to regulate and control gaming and gaming related activities conducted within and from the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake in accordance with the highest principles of honesty and integrity.

The KGC is currently investigating Absolute Poker. Joseph Tokwiro Norton is a leader.Mr. Norton is presently a special consultant for The Federal Bridge Corporation Limited, a founder and CEO of Turtle Technologies and CEO of Mohawk Internet Technologies.


The Fraternity - SAE - MONTANA Many of the founders/employees of Absoulte Poker can be linked to this Montana Fraternity.

SCOTT TOM

AP was started by Scott Tom and a few Ivy league friends back in 2003. Phil Tom and the other fathers of these kids bankrolled the venture, and Absolute Poker was born. Phil Tom is Scott Tom's FATHER, not his brother. The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also the owner of account POTRIPPER. Scott Tom is also apparently the owner of the STEAMROLLER account.

If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is scott@rivieraltd.com. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@".

Scott Tom has been spamming poker forums as recently as June 2007 on behalf of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper'

From brsavage, a highly respected member of the poker community: "Scott Tom is not an ex employee of Absolute. He was at the sale from Excapsa to the AP ownership group, and we have him tied to AP in recent history and I have confirmed from parties within that he is in fact STILL in control of AP. He may be in seclusion in Panama, but his attorneys are acting at his behest in trying to maintain contol of AP."

Absolute's statement: "With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Poker’s systems, databases or information."

AJ GREEN
The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com and the former director of operations at Absolute. AJ Green was formerly known as Allan Grimard and had a name change once moving to Costa Rica. AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER, he of the 3 posts shilling for AP in his only thread. As we already know, The Watchdog, who comes in to defend him and co-shill for AP in that thread, is probably Scott Tom. AJ Green/Potripper on AP [almost certainly] = FATRAISER on Stars.

BRENT BECKLEY
Director of Payments and Risk Management at Absolute Poker.
alumnus from SAE frat in Montana from 1999. President of Sigma Alpha Epsilon's UM chapter. That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP. Brent Beckley worked for AP when a poster propped there. He was a part of support and security. Brent Beckley's last known city of residence is Miami, which is the location of one of the cheater accounts. He was a frat brother of Scott Tom in Montana. Brent plays as RUNNINONMT on UB. His email is brent@rivieraltd.com and Brent is from the montana group of people who run Absolute. Steamroller, a cheating account, is known to have played from Miami.
Absolute Poker's recent press releases come out of Miami.

OSCAR HILT
Oscar Hilt = another one of Scott Tom's frat brothers, and was also employed by Absolute, as the CFO maybe?
CFO Oscar Hilt Tatum IV, although it seems that he sometimes goes by a combination of just 2 of those names such as Hilt Tatum IV or Oscar Hilt. This post doesn't have any big juicy dramabomb to reveal, just some facts culled about him from various corners of the internet.

- He is the CFO of Absolute Poker according to this page ( http://www.onlinecasinosandplayers.c...num=1189786905 ) which describes a recent incident where a plane skidded off a runway in Costa Rica. Interestingly, that incident just happened about a month ago, and the website where the article is reprinted (although far from authoritative) refers to Oscar as the CFO and Tom Scott as the CEO of both Absolute and UB (despite AP's protestations that Scott is no longer involved with the company). You can read the original article from nacion.com here, although it's translated from Spanish to English, I think: http://tinyurl.com/36sdcj
Scott Tom and Oscar's new wife (above) were also on that plane with him.
- There have also been references to Scott Tom now living and/or operating/pulling strings out of Panama. Oscar may be there too, evidenced by this page which appears to be a list of individuals granted residency status by the government of Panama, and has a listing for two Americans named "Oscar Hilt Tatum IV" and "Oscar Hilt Tatum III" for April 9th, 2007. (Note that their records don't have any listing for Scott Tom, at least not since Sept 2005 when the database begins.)

Absolute's Statement:"HILT TATUM IS COMPLETLEY UNCONECTED WITH THIS CASE - HE HAS NEVER BEEN THE CFO - HIS WIFE AND FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INVESTIGATION - THE COMPANY IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING - I URGE YOU TO CONTACT THE MODS AND HAVE ALL PICTURES REMOVED - PLEASE TRY AND HELP THIS BEYOND THE CALL - AND THEY ARE AS INNOCENT AS ANYONE. "

WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON - Frat allum from 1995
The speculation is that William McManon might be the user of the account "MCBill." MCBILL won a $100,000 dream package on absolute after little tournament play on the website. There are active McBill accounts at Full Tilt and PokerStars.

SHANE ALAN BLACKFORD - 1997 SAE Montana Allum.
Shane is the administrative contact for Innovative Data Solutions - a Costa Rican Company somehow related to Absoulte Poker. Shane was also a member of the SAE fraternity.

For further information on IDS Technical Consulting and how we can work with you, please contact us.

IDS Technical Consulting
Oficentro de Sebana
San Jose, Costa Rica
Telephone - 011-506-520-0525
Email - info@idsworld.net

Innovative Data Solutions
SBO 306, 7333 NW 54th Street
Miami, Florida 33166
United States
6786312244

DAVID CLAINER Senior Vice President at Absolute Poker

FRED ROMAN Affiliate Relations Manager for Absolute Poker


MARK SEIF
Mark seif has huge endorsement deal dating back from when Scott Tom is CEO of AP. Mark Seif has been seen in public with Scott Tom many times.
SEIF's QUESTIONABLE SESSION

ROGUE CONSULTANT
"Based upon our preliminary findings, it appears that the integrity of our poker system was compromised by a high-ranking trusted consultant employed by AP whose position gave him extraordinary access to certain security systems. As has been speculated in several online forums, this consultant devised a sophisticated scheme to manipulate internal systems to access third-party computers and accounts to view hole cards of other customers during play without their knowledge. As this consultant was aware of the details of our fraud detection process, the likelihood that the scheme would be uncovered through our normal procedures was minimized. We consider this security breach to be a horrendous and inexcusable offense." Hmmm.....



THE ACCOUNTS

Most of these account have recently won large buy-in tournaments on Absolute Poker. Many have similar questionable play. Most have played very few tornaments on Absolute before winning a large buy-in event.
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USER 363 - Unknown - observed Table of Potripper in 1K win
1. This guy "enters" table 13 at 2007-09-12 21:02:14, which is 2 minutes and 14 seconds after the tourney started.
2. Table 13 is the table which POTRIPPER was playing on
3. He never leaves the table, which means he was observing the table until at least 11:20 PM EST (at least, that's how I understand this)
4. His IP address is based in Costa Rica.
5. This is the most damning. He is user id 363 at AP. That means he was created in the system very very early on. Most of these user ids are in the 6 or 7 figures.

The guy who was on the same IP as the user 363 had his email set to an email that is hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Absolute's statement:"The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Poker’s knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Poker’s internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards."

Absolute's 2nd Statement:"Absolute Poker has identified an internal security breach that compromised our systems for a limited period of time."

GRAYCAT - Crushed High stakes limit games on Absolute. Chip dumped large amounts to SUPERCARDM55. GREYCAT won more that $100,000 in high stakes limit games on Absoulte. Might have never had a losing session.

DOUBLEDRAG -DOUBLEDRAG won huge amounts of money in high stakes no-limit games on Absoulte playing nearly every hand. DOUBLEDRAG chip dumped $200k and $300k to Romnaldo (or REYMNALDO) -THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. HERE
After cheating story became public DOUBLEDRAG dumped 27k on the tables.

STEAMROLLER
STEAMROLLER won the $150 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $20,700. STEAMROLLER also won the $100 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $1636. Absolute Poker admitted this account belongs to the Absolute Poker staff. Steamroller is linked to Scott Tom. STEAMROLLER was from Miami. Verified by report with Tom on July 27th under the STEAMROLLER account and email confirming from Absolute. Two different people have reported to Dan Druff that STEAMROLLER had flashed between $200k and $500k on the table in the past, bragging that he had "wired it in".


POTRIPPER - won $1K tournament on 9/12/2007 for $30,000. User #2234890 is POTRIPPER in the AP user database. POTRIPPER folded his first couple hands before the 363 observer entered the table... and that's when he started the suspicious activities. .xls file mistakenly sent out by Absoulte support.
YOU TUBE OF WIN

PAYUP - Won $1K on 8/23/2007 for $35,700. Sheets a well known internet pro commented: "but it was on august22, before the potripper tourney, where I got 2nd to one of the cheating accounts, Payup, in the 1k mtt.

Comments about this tournament from repsected player Sheets: "I laughed about Payups invincibility throughout the course of the tourney with inissint while on the phone but didnt think anything of it really until 2+2 started looking into the potripper tourney which i THINK occured later. I sent adanthar my hh for the payup tourney and he essentilly confirmed that the same shenanigans were involved and the payup account was also closed by AP.

sheets
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MCBILL
There is speculation that this account is linked to another SAE Montana Fraternity brother - WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON. On 10/7/2007 won $200 buy-in event for $100,000.

Montana resident and online poker player "MCBill" probably feels like he's struck gold this week after winning access to a possible over $100 million in online poker tournament prize pool money. Absolute Poker revealed that the online poker player hailing from Helena, Montana has won the 5th Absolute Dream Package on October 7th.

[Paul Levy]

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el d,

it's surprising *how many* sources I have and how much completely irrelevant factoids I know about completely random Canadian Indians at this point.

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Where's Nat? He must have an opinion on this piece of shyt statement.

[Emmitt2222]

The worst part is that I think the way El D layed it out is exactly how it will happen. Me knowing nothing of big business, I can only wonder; Is there nothing at all we can do as a community to really stick it to these guys?? I assume the answer is, "No". The story of a bunch of internet forum members making a difference in a corrupt company worth millions upon millions was romantic for awhile, but maybe in the end, the money will always win. That's really sad.

[R*R]

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I am the former Grand Chief of the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake and the owner of Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, which HOLDS A 100% interest in Absolute Poker.

Then, if they hold a 100% interest in AP, why did they remove AP from the list of pokersites they support ????!!!!

That's just non-sense !

They appear as the owner as for taxes not to be paid seems a more decent explanation.


I would say : follow the money to see who's the owner (I've been reading Malta ? Is that correct ?)

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I agree. More smoke and mirrors and this "so-called" ownership structure imo has alot to do with the fact that native indians whose place of business is on reserve and who live on reserve do not pay income taxes in Canada.

[zen_rounder]

wp that your getting refunded if you got cheated and then hopefully never play on AP again.. best results that are gonna come out of this it seems...

[adanthar]

pokerstud, stop c/p'ing that file without editing out all the random stuff in it. for instance potslammer is an irrelevant 2+2 account and oscar133 is almost certainly innocent.