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11-21-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
lol at folding preflop.
and i think calling turn is pure spew. also it doesn't really matter if your opponent is like 'whoa u are folding 2 tens here!!!' because guess what, if he bluffs when he has AK u will stack him all the other times u have QQ KK AA. For people saying autofold, which i think is right, especially considering player and board texture, what do u do with QQ? I mean i snap call and i'm like lol ship nizsl00ts holla but that doesn't really make sense because the hand is basically the same (EG i would be quite surprised if EM2 showed up with TT and if he played his JJ like this more often than a small % of the time i would be surprised), so i mean really you are calling QQ because you have to call a certain % of the time game theoretically and u might as well call your best hands. so at the end of the day if u have a slightly good read that he might be bluffing this time u should call TT and if you have a slight read that you think he wouldn't play JJ like this and never would bluff u should fold QQ or whatever. 
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#2
11-22-2007, 12:20 AM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
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lol at folding preflop. and i think calling turn is pure spew. also it doesn't really matter if your opponent is like 'whoa u are folding 2 tens here!!!' because guess what, if he bluffs when he has AK u will stack him all the other times u have QQ KK AA. For people saying autofold, which i think is right, especially considering player and board texture, what do u do with QQ? I mean i snap call and i'm like lol ship nizsl00ts holla but that doesn't really make sense because the hand is basically the same (EG i would be quite surprised if EM2 showed up with TT and if he played his JJ like this more often than a small % of the time i would be surprised), so i mean really you are calling QQ because you have to call a certain % of the time game theoretically and u might as well call your best hands. so at the end of the day if u have a slightly good read that he might be bluffing this time u should call TT and if you have a slight read that you think he wouldn't play JJ like this and never would bluff u should fold QQ or whatever. [/ QUOTE ] Calling QQ-AA is purely a game theoretic thing, as you said, it makes no sense to call TT and fold QQ here so may as well randomize based on hand strength (unless you have some particular dynamic/flow based read that EM is going to be makng a move far more or less often in a certain spot).
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#3
11-22-2007, 07:53 AM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
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lol at folding preflop. and i think calling turn is pure spew. also it doesn't really matter if your opponent is like 'whoa u are folding 2 tens here!!!' because guess what, if he bluffs when he has AK u will stack him all the other times u have QQ KK AA. [/ QUOTE ] lol at folding preflop. and then the board comes about as good as it possibly can and we fold the turn.
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#4
11-22-2007, 07:57 AM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
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[ QUOTE ] lol at folding preflop. and i think calling turn is pure spew. also it doesn't really matter if your opponent is like 'whoa u are folding 2 tens here!!!' because guess what, if he bluffs when he has AK u will stack him all the other times u have QQ KK AA. [/ QUOTE ] lol at folding preflop. and then the board comes about as good as it possibly can and we fold the turn. [/ QUOTE ] with all due respect, i think T 2 2 or T T 4 would have been better. i also still contain that folding preflop is kind of funny, and at least a little bit nitty- you can make a better case if i have like 95 bbs bc i forgot to reload.
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#5
11-22-2007, 09:08 AM
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lol at folding preflop. and then the board comes about as good as it possibly can and we fold the turn. [/ QUOTE ] with all due respect, this comment is completely retarded.
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#6
11-22-2007, 09:36 AM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
The thing is, are you calling 88 here? AQ? Are you shoving this flop with QQ? It seems lke your flop call range is so well defined and so small that it's too easy to play against. Obviously there's a chance you "outplay" him by correctly guessing his frequencies, but the fact that he is the agressor in this spot means that the balance is weighed extremely heavily in his favor (in that his mistakes always at least have some fairly decent probability of winning him a huge pot, yours end up losing always).
It might sound retarded but pitching TT pf just for game theoretic reasons can't be that bad... either that or shove this flop, or never shove flop, but those both seem even worse.
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#7
11-22-2007, 11:22 AM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
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The thing is, are you calling 88 here? AQ? Are you shoving this flop with QQ? It seems lke your flop call range is so well defined and so small that it's too easy to play against. Obviously there's a chance you "outplay" him by correctly guessing his frequencies, but the fact that he is the agressor in this spot means that the balance is weighed extremely heavily in his favor (in that his mistakes always at least have some fairly decent probability of winning him a huge pot, yours end up losing always). It might sound retarded but pitching TT pf just for game theoretic reasons can't be that bad... either that or shove this flop, or never shove flop, but those both seem even worse. [/ QUOTE ] good post, lots of good points here. against em2 hes never makin a ton of mistakes here
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#8
11-22-2007, 11:59 AM
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lol at folding preflop. and then the board comes about as good as it possibly can and we fold the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because his range doesn't change at all with the flopbet and the turnpush.
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#9
11-25-2007, 09:09 PM
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Re: Standard Squeeze spot vs THE ILLEST
Uh, if his range is really that narrowed then we don't get nearly the right odds to call pf but it's so close that calling pre is not a mistake (depends on how often he squeezes light).
If he is giving up with AK and bluffs a lot on the flop then I like a flop fold. I just don't understand how someone like EM2 can be very good at one hand and be that transparent on the other.. I mean if you have to fold everything except for (jj) QQ+ then why shouldn't he push a wide range of hands on the turn? You will barely ever have KK-AA and QQ and maybe JJ are the hands that will call him so by pushing AK always on the turn he is balancing his lines with QQ+ plus turning his semibluff into a +EV longtermplay because you will fold too many combinations that have him in bad shape. I just cannot believe he is such a nit..
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