Stars NL 200- Flop bluff/ Turn value push?

luckybacon · #1 07-21-2007, 01:08 AM

Pre flop raiser is a 2+2er solid regular. Sb was a typical donk no real information on him. I figured his flop calling range was wide since he wasnt any good. Thoughts on flop bluff/ turn push?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($49.35)
SB ($197)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($255.40)
MP ($64)
CO ($214.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $8, 3 folds, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($24) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $18, SB calls $18, Hero raises to $64, UTG folds, SB calls $46.

Turn: ($170) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $128 (All-In),

cbloom · #2 07-21-2007, 01:15 AM

This is pretty bad.

RUDIKULOUS · #3 07-21-2007, 01:33 AM

i think most hands he calls with just owned you on the turn.

JayDoubleYou · #4 07-21-2007, 01:37 AM

I don't think this is that bad vs. a "typical donk" .
It def depends on pf range though as the larger it is the more bare 6's he could have.

I think i still check and reevaluate.

oh and i dont do this on this flop given the donk SB calling the CB, bc he may not be laying down anything but an 8

deaders · #5 07-21-2007, 01:44 AM

I hate the flop c/r UTG is shoving most hands or at least calling and SB isnt folding his draw for $46 more obviously.

luckybacon · #6 07-21-2007, 02:00 AM

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I hate the flop c/r UTG is shoving most hands or at least calling and SB isnt folding his draw for $46 more obviously.

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i disagree about utg shoving most hands, my lines is very strong. I think this is obviously not great, why i posted it. But to say utg is shoving most hands/or at least calling i think is wrong

deaders · #7 07-21-2007, 02:04 AM

Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

JayDoubleYou · #8 07-21-2007, 02:08 AM

Agreed utg is folding soooo often, which is why i do this sometimes given different flop texture and/ or different sb.

luckybacon · #9 07-21-2007, 02:09 AM

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Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

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i assume solid regular raises a10+, qjs+, any pair, a bunch of suited aces, and most suited connectors occasionaly 1 gap suited connectors. Also, on that board i dont think it matters much between 1-2 people. He could easily double barrel a blank turn and get us to fold.

Check_The_Nuts · #10 07-21-2007, 02:24 AM

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Well a solid UTG raiser more than likely isnt betting that flop 3 ways without a hand especially with donk SB in there, and I would think most hands he is betting arent folding to your smallish c/r.

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i assume solid regular raises a10+, qjs+, any pair, a bunch of suited aces, and most suited connectors occasionaly 1 gap suited connectors. Also, on that board i dont think it matters much between 1-2 people. He could easily double barrel a blank turn and get us to fold.

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that doesn't make any sense.