88 in BB against loose stealer and caller

[SixForty]

Hi All,

Formerly a Fixed Limit player, was away from poker for a while, now getting back into it but on the No Limit side.

This is from a 4/180 on PokerStars. We are in the money with 16 left, I am currently 14th of 16 with 8683 in chips. The blinds are 300/600 with a 50 ante, so my M is approximately 6, and the average stack is 16875. Places 10 through 18 pay the same prize money - the next jump up in money isn't until you hit 9th.

Both Button and SB seem a little bit loose, but not out of line. Both have me covered by more than double my stack. The table overall seemed pretty average on the loose/tight scale.

So, forgive me if this is an easy hand, but I'm still learning some of the thought processes behind No Limit.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t8683)
UTG (t24474)
UTG+1 (t14450)
MP1 (t17446)
MP2 (t11478)
CO (t15562)
Button (t19626)
SB (t18674)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, SB calls t1500, <font color="#993399">Hero . . .</font>

I'm pretty sure that shoving is the right play, since I'm probably in the lead against their ranges. And with my stack, this is probably a good spot to make a stand.

I'm also sure that just calling is quite bad.

Is there an argument at all for folding and waiting for a chance that I can be first in or heads up only?

[bobbycharles]

no, you need to double up and he's stealing pretty wide here. Push.

[erc007]

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Hi All,

Formerly a Fixed Limit player, was away from poker for a while, now getting back into it but on the No Limit side.

This is from a 4/180 on PokerStars. We are in the money with 16 left, I am currently 14th of 16 with 8683 in chips. The blinds are 300/600 with a 50 ante, so my M is approximately 6, and the average stack is 16875. Places 10 through 18 pay the same prize money - the next jump up in money isn't until you hit 9th.

Both Button and SB seem a little bit loose, but not out of line. Both have me covered by more than double my stack. The table overall seemed pretty average on the loose/tight scale.

So, forgive me if this is an easy hand, but I'm still learning some of the thought processes behind No Limit.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t8683)
UTG (t24474)
UTG+1 (t14450)
MP1 (t17446)
MP2 (t11478)
CO (t15562)
Button (t19626)
SB (t18674)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1800</font>, SB calls t1500, <font color="#993399">Hero . . .</font>

I'm pretty sure that shoving is the right play, since I'm probably in the lead against their ranges. And with my stack, this is probably a good spot to make a stand.

I'm also sure that just calling is quite bad.

Is there an argument at all for folding and waiting for a chance that I can be first in or heads up only?

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To answer your last question 1st...NO. And pls don't listen if anyone tries to tell you folding is ok/the right play here.

This is an easy shove, you're ahead of both of their ranges and u have good FE. This is one of the few situations where if i squeeze, i fear the caller (who might be trapping) more than the raiser. You've got the perfect size stack to squeeze with here, i would prob shove a pretty wide range here against 2 loose (but not crazy) players.

[stevematador]

SixForty, you got it down right, this is a push 100% of the time without a 2nd thought, you are easily crushing them here more times than not. GL, see you at the final table, I play a ton of those tourneys nightly.