16s: TT vs overs at best and no fold equity

[loxxii]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t3058)
SB (t580)
BB (t1865)
UTG (t3080)
MP (t3207)
Hero (t1710)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t300</font>, Hero ?

I put him on AJ+, JJ+ from EP here and possibility 99. Is that a fold and how do you calculate it if you only have SNGPT?

[sence25]

Your range is strange. If he raises AJ, he should be raising 88.
Against the given range, it's a pretty easy fold.

[eurythmech]

This is not from EP, and without a read, how can you be sure there is no FE?

[RexWoo]

If the range you give is good, this is a very easy fold.

To do it with only SNGPT, you need to buy SnG Wiz [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

But doing the calculation by hand is ok sometimes.

[AMT]

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Your range is strange. If he raises AJ, he should be raising 88 *and other stupid stuff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]*.
Against the given range, it's a pretty easy fold.

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[loxxii]

ok, better question.

Is 17bb to many to race with and if not, what is your cutoff?

[loxxii]

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This is not from EP, and without a read, how can you be sure there is no FE?

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second to act is EP to me and my read that he will call with AJ+ based on how he got his big stack tells me there is not FE.

[eurythmech]

Doesn't really matter what it "is to you", this is six handed.

Also, if we identify a raising range that we are 50% against, and one that will always call - the number of bbs in our stack isn't very relevant. The number of remaining players is. As is the overlay.

[loxxii]

So 50-50 is good enough regardless of stack size if its 6 handed. Cool, that's a leak plugged.

My mistake was waiting for the push fold phase instead of taking this 50-50.

[eurythmech]

Woooo, I did not say that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I was merely trying to get the outlines for this discussion set straight.

Oftentimes, we will have FE. Also, totally discounting FE, our uncertainity in assigning a range to villain will bring a great deal of uncertainity to our equity against said range.

But, discussing this hypothetical scenario - the answer is definitely "it depends".

Stack size IS important, stack depth isn't.
That is, with stacks 6k 4k 2k (hero) 500 500 500 a double up is worth way less than in a scenario 3.5k 2k (hero) 2k 2k 2k 2k.

Generally speaking, even with a little overlay, a double up 6-handed is worth quite a bit less than double the initial stack.

So, no, 50% equity should NOT be sufficient usually.