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Old 11-04-2007, 07:51 PM
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He prob did have AK bc a lot of people don't know how to value bet properly. Of course, he doesnt realize that he is bluffing when he bets. Because of this I think you have to call the river.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:09 PM
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This is a pretty interesting spot, here's how I see it:

If he has a flush it pretty much has to be the nut flush b/c in his eyes you could have the Qc so I don't see him giving a chance @ another club if he doesn't have the K high flush once the turn hits. If he flopped a set I think he would raise the flop b/c it's multiway and there is a FD and gutshots which could hurt him. I could also see him getting to the river w/ AxKc, but I'm not sure why he would bet the river w/ that hand. From what I remember playing vs Opdinnerout he was pretty nitty postflop, but I haven't played @ FT in 5 months and that's when he was playing 2/4. I think he's repping exactly the nut flush. As others have said I would shove here for value here, but now that we've checked I think it's close. In the heat of the moment I think I would call, but after thinking about it it's probably a good fold IMO.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:23 PM
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I would have shoved so that I don't have to make this fold.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:25 PM
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Eh just shove it yourself. Were you calling a turn shove btw?

But if you check the riv it should be to fold, he is not betting AK here
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:18 PM
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Eh just shove it yourself. Were you calling a turn shove btw?

But if you check the riv it should be to fold, he is not betting AK here

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agreed
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:45 AM
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if you're betting the turn you have to shove this river, not close
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:48 AM
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if you're betting the turn you have to shove this river, not close

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why? i think i can get 1 street of value from turn/river from a non flush hand and he has a wider calling range on turn for sure.
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Old 11-05-2007, 01:59 AM
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hm sorry i misread the action thought you were the pfr, have to consider this some more.. donking isnt really a part of my game so this is weird to think about
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:12 AM
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why lead the flop instead of c/r?
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:29 AM
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I actually think this is really good. I just can't see any/(enough) hands in his range after this line that you beat that would either call a shove or shove after your check. Do you c/f 33 here too though?
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