Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs

[Felix_Nietzsche]

http://www.peacefaq.com/campdavid.html
This site has some decent examples of Egypt's violations of the Camp David Accords.
"After Egyptian dictator Anwar Sadat's death, his successor Hosni Mubarak discovered that Egypt could ignore its peace treaty obligations to Israel with impunity. Sadat had signed over 50 agreements and amendments to the Camp David Accords, which spelled out in great detail normalization of relations with Israel. These included trade, tourism, science, cultural and other attributes of peaceful relations. The late Menachem Begin, of blessed memory, fully believed that his sacrifice of Sinai, with its air bases and oil, was worth the inauguration of peaceful relations with the most important country in the Arab world.
With every passing year, it became clearer to Mubarak that the Israelis were too timid to protest Egyptian violations. It also became clear that America would continue to supply aid in the billions of dollars to Egypt, despite Egypt's obvious violations of their most solemn commitments to both President Jimmy Carter and Begin.

From this experience Mubarak devised the "Mubarak gambit," which sets out the principle that an Arab country can promise Israel peace and full normalization as a negotiating tactic in order to force an Israeli withdrawal from territory. Then after the territory is recovered, the Arab country can ignore the normalization part of any agreement."

- Bernard J. Shapiro, in The Caucus Current, October 1994

[Kaj]

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127/...l_palestinians
That nitwit Bush is pressing ahead with his dopey two state peace solution. This will fail like every other peace deal because:
1. The Arab leaders don't want peace.
2. The Arabs are lying sacks of crap.

At least Hamas in the Gaza is being honest by opposing this peace deal and calling for the destruction of Israel. Fatah is more sophisticated than Hamas because they lie pretending to want peace while taking every concession that Israel is foolish enough to offer.

The only treaty the Arabs have half-assed 'honored' was the Camp David accords. Egypt welched on part of the deal to recognize Israel. The only reason why Eqypt did not welch on the rest of the treaty was the USA agreed to pay an annual $1.3b bribe to Eqypt as long as they abide by the agreement.

In the 1993 Oslo accords, the Arabs welch on the deal by refusing to honor the terms while accepting the land-for-peace (the Gaza strip) that Israel gave. Hamas has rejected the Oslo accords while at the same time accepting the land that Israel gave up.... Again, I admire Hamas for their honesty as oppose to the lies from Fatah.

Land for peace has never worked with the Arabs, yet Bush is STUUU-PID enough to believe it will work this time...

My solution to the Israel-Arab peace process?
1. Israel invades Gaza and Arab controlled areas of the West Bank and annexes the land.
2. Take away the citizenship of all Arabs inside Israel.
3. Relocate all Arabs inside Israel and dump them on the borders of Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. Let their Arab brothers give them sanctuary.
4. Drink a beer for a job well done... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
5. Endure the occasional rocket attacks accross the borders but launch occasional cross border attacks to kill these scum.

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It really burns you up when Arabs "lie" and pretend to be for "peace.

And yet you are first to defend America when it goes after its own interests, even if it lies and uses propaganda like "peace, security, and democracy" to achieve them.

There are a lot of reasons why these peace talks will fail. Some of which you allude to. Most of which you ignore. The most obvious being that why should Arabs or anybody else accept the US legitimacy in this process. If our leaders really wanted to negotiate a meaningful peace that all sides could accept, then we need to bring in the rest of the world to do it. This isn't an American problem. Others have interests there too. Why aren't we asking Russia, England, France, Japan, and China, amongst others, to help the Middle East nations set a framework for peace? If I was an Arab, Russian, or basically anybody with a pulse, I would be outraged at America's attempt to portray itself as the impartial advocate for Middle East peace. And we haven't learned anything if we don't bring in the rest of the world to solve this but try to impose a solution from outside using more sticks and carrots, or promises and stern words, that leave the American taxpayers stuck with the bill for their own nooses.

[bobman0330]

So your peace plan is an ethnic cleansing campaign followed by an endless series of cross-border terrorist attacks? The State Department lost a brilliant diplomat when you decided to become a moron.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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The State Department lost a brilliant diplomat when you decided to become a moron.

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Well thanks for the compliment but being smarter than a typical US State Dept employee is not much of an accomplishment.

[AngusThermopyle]

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[yjbrewer]

I say [censored] em both and let em kill the [censored] out of each other!

[gonebroke2]

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My solution to the Israel-Arab peace process?
1. Israel invades Gaza and Arab controlled areas of the West Bank and annexes the land.
2. Take away the citizenship of all Arabs inside Israel.
3. Relocate all Arabs inside Israel and dump them on the borders of Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. Let their Arab brothers give them sanctuary.
4. Drink a beer for a job well done... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
5. Endure the occasional rocket attacks accross the borders but launch occasional cross border attacks to kill these scum.

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Don't mind Felix, he is a confused individual. He's a 40-something, hick, ex-military, from the midwest who was brainwashed into become a zionist. Go join the IDF Felix, maybe one of the arabs will take you to heaven with them.

[vulturesrow]

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My solution to the Israel-Arab peace process?
1. Israel invades Gaza and Arab controlled areas of the West Bank and annexes the land.
2. Take away the citizenship of all Arabs inside Israel.
3. Relocate all Arabs inside Israel and dump them on the borders of Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. Let their Arab brothers give them sanctuary.
4. Drink a beer for a job well done... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
5. Endure the occasional rocket attacks accross the borders but launch occasional cross border attacks to kill these scum.

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Don't mind Felix, he is a confused individual. He's a 40-something, hick, ex-military, from the midwest who was brainwashed into become a zionist. Go join the IDF Felix, maybe one of the arabs will take you to heaven with them.

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I dont agree with much of what Felix wrote but your post is complete noise and I cant believe it didnt get axed.

[Felix_Nietzsche]

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He's a 40-something, hick, ex-military, from the midwest who was brainwashed into become a zionist.

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Damn it! I'm a Texan fool!
As for Zionist, I am not a Zionist. I despise the Arab culture so rooting for Israel is totally congruent with my belief system. It is like the man who became a vegetarian not because he loved animals, it was because he despised plants. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I also despise the Philadelphia Eagles and I always root for the other team to beat them. Go Cowboys!!!!

[InTheDark]

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My solution to the Israel-Arab peace process?

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1. Admit there is none.
2. Instant, in spades retaliation for every suicide bomber, rock thrower, random rocket, arab sheet disturber. Kinda like the current plan but with bigger balls. No, we don't worry too much about who dies, it's all about the timing. Do it today.

You either love or hate Israel. Killing civilians in reprisal attacks won't change the balance and the arabs don't understand much else.