QJo from SB in color

[Sushiglutton]

<font color="blue"> Hero is SB with </font> Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="green"> UTG and BB are both solid players. </font>

<font color="purple"> PF: </font> UTG limps, <font color="brown"> Hero calls </font> , BB raises, UTG calls, <font color="brown"> Hero calls </font>

Is this second call good? I mean we are not usually playing QJo from BB agaisnt an early raiser and a caller, no? But BB range is much wider here, so it's good? What would be a typical range here?

<font color="pink"> Flop(3 players 6sb): </font> T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> What's the plan? </font>

[Riku]

"I mean we are not usually playing QJo from BB agaisnt an early raiser and a caller"

I've always played it :/ So yeah, i'd make that call here as well.

Check and see.

[Sushiglutton]

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"I mean we are not usually playing QJo from BB agaisnt an early raiser and a caller"

I've always played it :/ So yeah, i'd make that call here as well.

Check and see.

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Agaisnt AJ+,99+,KQ, we are in a tough spot OOP with QJo. Equity is ok, getting 5:1, but it's RIO hell.

ext results appended to pokerstove.txt

7,891,430,778 games 16.766 secs 470,680,590 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.782% 20.02% 00.76% 1580120521 59897912.33 { QsJh }
Hand 1: 50.294% 48.84% 01.45% 3854340179 114569802.33 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 28.924% 27.29% 01.63% 2153953959 128548404.33 { 99-66, ATs-A7s, KTs+, QTs+, AJo, KJo+ }



Different scenarios:

1) BB bets, UTG calls, Hero????
2) BB bets, UTG folds, Hero???
3) BB bets, UTG raises, Hero???
4) BB checks, UTG bets, Hero???

[Smurph64]

what limit are you playing here? How many at the table?

[Sushiglutton]

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what limit are you playing here? How many at the table?

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It's from Byrons book (how good is ur limit holdem?), so it's $15/$30, 8-handed. Let's just say it's a hypothetical hand.

Sorry I don't know anything else.

[Sushiglutton]

Don't you like a little colors? Anyway how does donking sound here? It's a leading question, but in general I feel I don't donk enough. Thoughts?

[Bona]

I don't know about the second call preflop but assuming it is OK:

It appears to me we will have drawing odds, with 8 good outs and a back door flush draw, to call the flop whether it is one or two back to us. So I check/call the flop.

We should also have odds to call the turn UI unless we face 2 bets.

In any case I call here as long as I have favorable pot odds to draw.

[Fantam]

I am in favour of check/calling on the flop, although I dont think that I would call 2 bets.

[Shillx]

8-handed you say?

The BB is usually going to have a big hand so I'd usually just check/call the flop for one bet. But if UTG raises you have to make it 3 bets. I'm not that big on leading.

[Fantam]

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if UTG raises you have to make it 3 bets.

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Shillx, could you please explain this further ?

I would have thought that if BB bet and UTG raised that you were almost definitely behind, and not getting sufficient odds to continue.

Do you consider that it would be unlikely for either BB or UTG to have a flush draw if there was a bet and raise to you ?