Is 10/20 like 4x harder than it was 1-2 years ago?

[climber]

I've def run bad in my last two shots at 10/20 6max.
-180BB in 3k hands.

2 years ago i beat this game for 2+ BB/100 and I'm a much better player now.

I'm crushing 5/10 but getting destroyed everytime I try to move up.

Comparing to 5/10 I feel like there are 1/3 to 1/4 as many decent tables to sit and there are 3-4 times as many players I dont want to play with. And the fish are like 3x better postflop. Some are still horrible but those are the 75/49 guys who river boats vs my nut flush and take down $400 pots with 42o raised UTG vs me. Obv that part is me running bad but I was wondering in general if I am missing something or if I'm deluding myself or if the gme has really gotten this much tougher?

[kapw7]

Doesn't look that tough to me. FWIW I mainly play at Prima and Pty. OTOH I wasn't playing 10/20 1-2 years ago. I'm sure it used to be much softer then.

How did you adapt for the increased agressiveness? Stats etc.

[Stefan_K]

The game gets togher and togher, comparing 1-2 years ago it's a diffrents. Absoultly possible to beat just work with table selection, also it's a good idee to look at other sites than just party.
When running bad all games are impossible to beat.

[climber]

Stats wise I'm rasonable...30/20 80/50 blinds 40% steal
Could tighten up a little but given the ranges I'm mostly palying against it seems like I ought to be able to win like this too.

looks like I am peeling some flops a little too loosely
and bluffing a little too much on the turn

A big problem is this:

AA 71%
KK 64%
QQ 67%
JJ 60%
TT 47%

losing money UTG, on the button and at rates of .21 and .29 in the blinds doesnt make for winning sessions either.

[disjunction]

My thesis, FWIW, has been that the Monster would make the games temporarily easier and long-term harder, and the effect would be more pronounced the lower you go.

I started playing 10/20 last November, and FWIW I don't think it's tougher than at any point since then, but it is tied for toughest. Plus there are some very strange lines being played in the last month or so. I've played lots of different limits in the last couple of months so maybe they're not strange lines, it's just me not adjusting.

My historical opinion on level of difficulty. Everything is relative to Party 10/20, of course (for any dork who comes in and says OMFG PARTY 10/20 IS EZ U PEOPLE CANT PLAY POSTFLOP)

November, December 2005 -- Easy
January-March 2006 -- Difficult
April 2006-July2006 -- Medium, trend getting easier
August 2006 -- Easy
Sept 2006 -- Medium to difficult, but mostly just weird

[Magikist]

Climber, like you, I was 2+ bb/100 from about 6/2004 through 5/2005. Between 5/2005 and 9/2005 it was about 1-1.5 bb/100. I took a break from poker for a few months after that.

Came back in 2/2006 and was shocked at the difference. At the time I attributed the difficulty to rust, but now I don't think so. Like you, again, I consider myself a better poker player now. In my mind, there's no question that the games are significantly harder. I think the days of 2+ bb /100 over the medium- to long-term are gone for now. To grind out even just 1 BB/100 I think you need to be disciplined and patient.

I'm not sure the 10/20 is even a viable option for making a professional earn anymore (at least not what it once was).

[boringchris]

i've only played 10/20 at party. does anyone here have extensive experience with the 10/20 games at sites that are still allowing US players (mostly absolute, ftp, stars, etc)? any insight on those sites?

[GT123]

Limit games have been going downhil for awhile.

It's sick that you can easily make more in a low stakes 1/2 NL game on a $6000 bankroll, than in a mid-stakes 10/20 limit game with a $20,000 roll. Why do people still play 10/20 or lower. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Victor]

i dont think i can beat it anymore and in the process of trying nl.

[CarpeDiem]

Couldn't this just be variance?