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#1
08-04-2007, 11:17 PM
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showdown
1/2 NL. Lunatic bets all in into a T84 flop, player B calls him (putting himself all in), and I overcall with T9, knowing that player B may call with any pair. Turn and river are blanks, and player B shows a ten, beating lunatic's hand. The kicker will determine the winner here. Some history: player B and his friend have been showing down in this manner for a while now and nobody at the table has yet been challenged to show both cards involuntarily at showdown. I sit there and I wait for him to show his kicker. He tells me, show me your hand now. I ask, what's your kicker? And then he starts to get angry and hostile, like, "I showed you my hand, but you don't want to show yours? Why do you need to see my kicker?, etc." Now, don't need any help figuring out what the rules say about showing down hands, and neither did the dealer. But how do you think I should have responded?
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08-04-2007, 11:32 PM
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Re: showdown
Show your ten and wait for him to show his kicker?
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08-05-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: showdown
I am amazed by the inability of people to table their hands in a reasonable fashion. In my limited live experience I have not seen these problems occur at my tables, but I guess tabling cards is a major issue. Really what is the cost to you to turn over your cards during showdown. If the guy wants to be a jerk let him.
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08-05-2007, 01:13 AM
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Re: showdown
I don't look at the player at all. I simply ask the dealer what his final hand is.
There is no reason that he should not have to show his hand first. (Since he had done this type of thing before). However: If the lunatic showed a 10, I'd insta-flip my hand over and let him decide what he wanted to do.
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#6
08-05-2007, 05:24 AM
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Re: showdown
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In my limited live experience I have not seen these problems occur at my tables, [/ QUOTE ] Guve it time. You'll see how annoying it is to watch 2 people do this over a small pot. Eventually, you'll just call that you want to see all hands just to get the hand over with. b
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#7
08-05-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: showdown
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[ QUOTE ] In my limited live experience I have not seen these problems occur at my tables, [/ QUOTE ] Guve it time. You'll see how annoying it is to watch 2 people do this over a small pot. Eventually, you'll just call that you want to see all hands just to get the hand over with. b [/ QUOTE ] This was a $300 pot. I had a $1200 stack and about two players at the table who could stack me. Giving away information about my hand unnecessarily is costly. I was playing very few hands (past the flop), basically just picking my spots against the lunatic.
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#8
08-06-2007, 01:35 AM
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Re: showdown
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[ QUOTE ] Guve it time. You'll see how annoying it is to watch 2 people do this over a small pot. Eventually, you'll just call that you want to see all hands just to get the hand over with. b [/ QUOTE ] This was a $300 pot. I had a $1200 stack and about two players at the table who could stack me. Giving away information about my hand unnecessarily is costly. I was playing very few hands (past the flop), basically just picking my spots against the lunatic. [/ QUOTE ] What does this have to do with wanting to see the guys cards? Or are you now changing this to: You didn't want to reveal anything if you didn't have to? Just flip your hand over. b
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#9
08-06-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: showdown
The only reason why your post was cited at all was because you implied that the pot I was involved in was small or that your opinion is any different if the pot is big. Need any more clarification?
And no, I don't want to reveal anything if I don't have to. So call me crazy.
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#10
08-05-2007, 03:57 AM
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Re: showdown
He's been doing it with a friend and nobody has suggested to them that they shouldn't do that. Suddenly you become a nit and don't understand that they may feel a bit blindsided.
Why does this have to be a game of chicken? Why can't you simply table your hand? If you win, great, good range read on the guy. If he mucks, obviously his kicker is worse than yours and doesn't pair the board. You want to continue making money off of him, right? Why antagonize him? As to others, anybody who is smart enough to even care about your hand could piece together something reasonable if he showed and you folded. I see nothing to gain by holding up the game here. What do you have to prove and to whom?
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