Etiquette question: sitting out after your button

[The Funky Llama]

sure, if you do each of the 3 cases 1000 times theres a huge difference. That would seem to be obvious. But if you look at each individually, the EV loss from missing one round of being the button is the same.

[baronzeus]

these calcs are all way off. there is a huge huge huge difference between palying 3 hands and 23 hands.

[WillyT]

"these calcs are all way off. there is a huge huge huge difference between palying 3 hands and 23 hands. "

which calcs? i think you and 314 missed the point.

btw, 314 are you from STL?

WT

[baronzeus]

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"these calcs are all way off. there is a huge huge huge difference between palying 3 hands and 23 hands. "

which calcs? i think you and 314 missed the point.

btw, 314 are you from STL?

WT

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no i didnt miss the point.

[threeonefour]

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btw, 314 are you from STL?


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almost, i am from idaho.

-TheFunkyLlama

i get your point. but with the give-and-take nature of the game, its a lot more ethical to give 35 times and take 36 times rather than give 0 times and take 1 time. one situation you can still be beaten at, one situation actually put yourself at risk.

finally, its much more reasonable to forget that you started with the button after playing 70 hands. but if you play 1 hand, you are acting in cold blood, in 30 seconds you could have played one more hand and evened the score.

[baronzeus]

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sure, if you do each of the 3 cases 1000 times theres a huge difference. That would seem to be obvious. But if you look at each individually, the EV loss from missing one round of being the button is the same.

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whaaata no its not

[tmfs]

Another etiquette question regarding hu play. You and a player both sit down with 20 bb's, you win 18.5 bets. Is it bad etiquette to sit out and ask them to reload after they have not done so for a few hands, at least to an amount where they able to complete an entire hand?

[baronzeus]

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Another etiquette question regarding hu play. You and a player both sit down with 20 bb's, you win 18.5 bets. Is it bad etiquette to sit out and ask them to reload after they have not done so for a few hands, at least to an amount where they able to complete an entire hand?

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I think you can ask them to rebuy when tey have less than 5 BB

[threeonefour]

i think asking to reload is pretty lame unless rake makes playing a short stack basically worthless regardless of the skill differential. short stack limit can be pretty tricky imo because few people play many hands against a short stack. asking your opponent, who wants to take money from you, to make your life easier is a little unsportsmanlike.

i guess you can feel free to ask. but sitting out till he reloads and then sitting back in is fairly nitty and lame.

[threeonefour]

here's an analogy that might explain my short stack position because i expect that i am in the minority on this forum (though i am guessing old school pros might back me up on this).

the size of your stack is a *strategic* decision, at least to some extent, in limit holdem (certainly much moreso in NL).

I don't doubt that Baronzeus could crush me heads-up, but what if i asked him to only raise preflop no more than 15% of his hands and that i will sit out if he ever goes over 20 according to pokertracker. i could probably(possibly?) beat him if he played with that restriction. if he was willing to play at all.

obviously that is a much more significant strategic decision but i think the point remains that asking your opponent to change his strategy for your benefit is kind of unsportsmanlike.