2007-2008 NBA MVP

[IrishHand]

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There's nothing in this post that didn't suck.

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I like a man who relies on logic and reason.

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Recape: you complain that Lebron has more talent around him than Kobe (which is hilarious since his team is as good or worse at every position except maaaybe point, and his bench is worse),

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Whaaaaaa?
Ilgauskas is superior to the Lakers C trio. A big 7'3" C who reliably produces 15/8 w/ a couple blocks a game? Give the Lakers a year and Bynum will eclipse him imo, but right now it's not close.
Hughes is better than Walton on both ends of the floor.
Gibson is worse than Fisher imo, but it's close.

At worst, it's a push - and that's clouded by this season where the non-Kobe Lakers have looked better than they are and the non-LeBron Cavs have looked worse (except for Z).

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you then decide that only Duncan and Nash (best supporting casts in basketball...) should be the only ones n the conversation except KG (other best supporting cast in basketball) "if" Boston wins 50+ (has to be at least even odds).

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What's your point? As another posted noted, we already had long thread about the best player in the NBA. The MVP is a subset of that discussion and I don't know how you can rationally get anyone into that duo (or trio) this season. Putting up silly bulk doesn't get past the fact that your team isn't that good. If the Cavs win 50, he should be in the conversation - but Duncan's probably still the Most Valuable Player for the 07/08 season. Dominant defensively (LeBron isn't even close) and changes the face of the game on offense (LeBron also does this).

No clue what you're getting at with the Boston comment. I didn't say anything about likelihood (certainly better than even odds).

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Then you bitch about Dirk winning an award he deserved, comparing him to one of the best players at his position winning an award that he also deserved.

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He only deserved it if both Duncan and Nash withdrew their names from consideration and didn't alert the media. And Malone wasn't even close to deserving it in 97. Have you heard of this Jordan fellow?

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I award you no points, etc.

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Your point system will always be my guiding light.

[Green Kool Aid]

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Nash and Duncan should be the top 2 on any MVP ballot until further notice

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kthx keep us updated.

[THEOSU]

well, i guess this thread's over until irishhand deems otherwise.

[ClarkNasty]

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Nash and Duncan should be the top 2 on any MVP ballot until further notice

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kthx keep us updated.

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FWIW, I think that Kobe, LeBron, and KG are all of pretty similar value, but all behind Duncan

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What changed in the last 12 days?

[kidcolin]

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Putting up obnoxious bulk numbers does not equal "MPV" - or at least it shouldn't. Cavs have more talent than Lakers, Cavs play in markedly inferior conference, Lakers have better record. Kobe is a better basketball player - he's just realized (two years too late imo) that he doesn't need to score 40 a game.

LeBron's bulk will decline over time as he shifts from individual excellence to improving his teammates.

Nash and Duncan should be the top 2 on any MVP ballot until further notice, although I agree that Garnett warrants inclusion in that conversation if Boston wins 50+ (same for Kobe, though the 50+ is a lot less likely). Dirk getting a "lifetime achievement award" a la Karl Malone was pathetic.

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It's funny that in the same post you bitch about bulk stats winning the award, you say Dirk didn't deserve it, whose efficiency was the #1 reason that team won 67 games last season. I know xorbie pointed it out already, but it was so retarded it needed to be pointed out twice.

When Kobe's not putting up 40, he's not all that involved. He still takes awful shots with regularity. The "MVP" of the Lakers thus far has been the second unit.

[hanster]

Very surprised to see one of the front-runners left out thus far: T-Mac. It's pretty obvious he is the man when he's active, and when he goes down the Rockets can't win. I don't know how well the Rockets will fare if it was Yao that went down but TMac has to be up there.

[ehafner]

I agree with the OP completely. Lebron is really stepping it up this season. He's improved in every area, especially on the defensive end (almost 2 steals/blocks per).

[doubLe a tom]

My pre-season pick for MVP was Carmelo Anthony after the way he played for the USA team. It looked like he took his game to another level. So far this year though I've been more impressed with LBJ and KG is right up there too.

[kidcolin]

kinda not doable over the interweb, but I'd lay odds that Carmelo never wins the MVP award during his career.

[doubLe a tom]

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kinda not doable over the interweb, but I'd lay odds that Carmelo never wins the MVP award during his career.

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Yeah, i was just expecting more out of him after what he showed this summer. He played unbelievably against the international competition but it just seems like hes missing the killer instinct, win it all costs mentality that players like Kobe have. LBJ appears to be developing this as well. Hes gonna be scary good over the next 10-12 years if he can stay healthy.