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Old 11-21-2007, 11:41 AM
munkey munkey is offline
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

I bet flop and prob bet turn too but I think a turn check despite how scary the river could be is best -plus AZ says he likes to bluff so we may get to snap one off as our line looks like pfr+cbet. I fold as played but agree this is prob a combo draw too alot time.

I would only bet turn if a c/r isn't too likely.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:18 PM
AZplaya AZplaya is offline
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

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why did you bet the flop?

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I bet the flop because I want to extract value from a player who plays too many hands and goes to far with marginal hands.
I bet the flop because my opponent pounces on weakness, and half the deck scares the [censored] out of me on the turn.
I bet the flop because if I check behind 1010 here then I can't bet A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

Yea like I said, I think a flop and turn bet is mandatory.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:47 PM
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

Checking the flop is awful. Bet/fold this turn is good.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

snap call and stack his turned combo draw.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:59 PM
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snap call and vom as he turns up 77

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FYP.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:49 PM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Villian is 33/23, ok lag but not great. Bluffs too much and value bets 3 streets with really marginal hands.

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What bluffs has he showndown in what position? Sounds like if he had a marginal hand he'd be more prone to check/call bet bet or bet bet bet here. Just further cements that your hand is effectively AA. The problem is this hand depends so much on his cold calling range in the BB and you haven't given any info for that.
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

well played, now call
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:14 PM
Julio Dalehurst Julio Dalehurst is offline
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

This hand is really read dependent. What is his calling range in the BB? What is his bluffing frequency? What range does he put you on based on your history? Does he think has has fold equity?

By default though, with this type of LAG, I find this overbet is a combo draw more often than a made hand as a set is more likely to c/r flop. Its harder to put him on a straight unless hes been cold calling with SC’s out of the BB.
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:45 PM
GeraldGiraffe GeraldGiraffe is offline
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Default Re: 1010 facing turn heat - NL$50 6m

I agree that this is a thoroughly confusing hand. The action up to the flop and on the flop gives me the feeling that this is a really read dependent situation; what sort of hands has the villain been calling OOP - is he loose in the blinds? What's his flop AF - is he willing to slowplay strong hands on super-drawy boards like this?

Anyway, it's hard to see him not raising a strong draw here on this flop. In addition though, it's hard to see him failing to raise a very strong made hand on this flop either. I'm not sure if I put him on a float but my instinct would be that it's difficult to fold that turn after his action so far - especially as it's a big enough brick to build a house with.
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