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11-18-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
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I dont like your raise. You have to peel one off here every time, but you dont want to escalate the pot at all. Your draw is just ok, but not great. If he has any sort of flush draw he has you in terrible shape. If he has a set he is ahead of you, but its a coin flip. If he has a set and a flush draw, even if its a horrible flush draw, you are drawing almost dead. I would probably fold this because you only have 2k invested and could be drawing close to dead. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, you shoul dbe a calling station because we all know that the Kevin McBride style is very difficult to overcome. Plus, it is impolite to raise in most games. 
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#2
11-18-2007, 04:59 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
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[ QUOTE ] I dont like your raise. You have to peel one off here every time, but you dont want to escalate the pot at all. Your draw is just ok, but not great. If he has any sort of flush draw he has you in terrible shape. If he has a set he is ahead of you, but its a coin flip. If he has a set and a flush draw, even if its a horrible flush draw, you are drawing almost dead. I would probably fold this because you only have 2k invested and could be drawing close to dead. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, you shoul dbe a calling station because we all know that the Kevin McBride style is very difficult to overcome. Plus, it is impolite to raise in most games. [/ QUOTE ] You dont play this game much do you? His draw is crap and his made hand is crap on a board with a lot of great draws. This is not the time to get ultra aggressive with a bad draw. By the way great sarcastic contribution. How about next time you prove one of my arguments wrong?
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#3
11-18-2007, 11:07 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
I guess I was worried about what the min-bet meant and wanted to get a better idea where ppl were and get the move fds out. If the guy makes a more std raise, then I will be just calling. I count min-bets as checks
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11-19-2007, 05:42 AM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
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I guess I was worried about what the min-bet meant and wanted to get a better idea where ppl were and get the move fds out. If the guy makes a more std raise, then I will be just calling. I count min-bets as checks [/ QUOTE ] Move fds out? What does that mean? Min bets can sometimes be viewed as checks, but I usually only view them as checks when the board is dry. If the board is paired and someone min bets, I consider that a check and I think its ok to try and pick it up. The problem is that the board is just so draw heavy. In my experience when people min bet on a draw heavy board they dont fold to a reraise. They were min betting because they were trying to get a cheap turn or something stupid like that. When I raise in this spot I usually get at least called.
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11-20-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like your raise. You have to peel one off here every time, but you dont want to escalate the pot at all. Your draw is just ok, but not great. If he has any sort of flush draw he has you in terrible shape. If he has a set he is ahead of you, but its a coin flip. If he has a set and a flush draw, even if its a horrible flush draw, you are drawing almost dead. I would probably fold this because you only have 2k invested and could be drawing close to dead. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, you shoul dbe a calling station because we all know that the Kevin McBride style is very difficult to overcome. Plus, it is impolite to raise in most games. [/ QUOTE ] You dont play this game much do you? His draw is crap and his made hand is crap on a board with a lot of great draws. This is not the time to get ultra aggressive with a bad draw. By the way great sarcastic contribution. How about next time you prove one of my arguments wrong? [/ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is the correct play, you obviously don't see why. Nobody says he has to shove to the 3 bet. Giving up control doesn't give you any information. The tournament is nearing the bubble and both stacks have significant stacks that are less than him.
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#6
11-20-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
You made a reasonable raise, that could have been done even with air in such tournament situation (and such board), but now it looks like you arent in great shape and he isnt folding so let it go. I would estimae your equity around 30-50%, which isnt great considering the fact that at this particular moment you shuld be adding to your stack without showing down hands and not taking bad gambles.
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#7
11-20-2007, 05:17 PM
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Re: FTOPS PLO8 hand v. lilholdem
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You made a reasonable raise, that could have been done even with air in such tournament situation (and such board), but now it looks like you arent in great shape and he isnt folding so let it go. I would estimae your equity around 30-50%, which isnt great considering the fact that at this particular moment you shuld be adding to your stack without showing down hands and not taking bad gambles. [/ QUOTE ] Ding. You don't get the image to win pots without taking gambles if you don't raise here either. Calling stations never win pots without showdowns, and usually they are behind.
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