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#42
08-02-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
Has anyone ever looked at their ROI after they double up early? I know someone in a thread a year ago said theirs was over 100%. That would mean taking a 50/50 the first hand would be a winning play provided you play a big stack well, even though OMGZ it goes against ICMZ!!!!!!.
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#43
08-02-2007, 03:07 PM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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Has anyone ever looked at their ROI after they double up early? [/ QUOTE ] [X] Your sample size is too small
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#44
08-02-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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This is very very very wrong. Read famous gigabet post. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't very very very wrong even if it is wrong to begin with. This has very little to do with the gigabet dilemma, which in the first place has very little application in STTs. [ QUOTE ] I am not saying I am calling here, this spot is a clear fold and the thread itself is uselss. the assumption is that you know he has AK or 55. In this spots people tend to overestimate AK and underestimate pairs which is way incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] The reason people "overestimate AK" is because it fairs much better against most ranges, but not in hypotheticals where people are put on unrealistic ranges. [ QUOTE ] Would you fold anything besides AA and KK? [/ QUOTE ] Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 164,381,184 games 0.031 secs 5,302,618,838 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 53.954% 53.72% 00.23% 88311564 379146.00 { 55 } Hand 1: 46.046% 45.82% 00.23% 75311328 379146.00 { AKs, AKo } Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 164,381,184 games 0.005 secs 32,876,236,800 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 56.056% 55.84% 00.21% 91796496 349212.00 { QQ } Hand 1: 43.944% 43.73% 00.21% 71886264 349212.00 { AKs, AKo } [ QUOTE ] If you are suggesting folding a pair vs AK then you have to consider that pushing AK is always correct preflop. [/ QUOTE ] No. It depends on opening ranges and optimal play is very different a +EV play. Open shoving AA is correct here as well if open shoving AK is correct. [ QUOTE ] ; assumptions like "i am so much better than my opponents that I can pass this one" are totally irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] The fact you can justify making -EV plays to create future more +EV plays, but cannot understand why it would make sense to pass on very marginal +EV edges to wait for better spots is really funny.
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#45
08-02-2007, 03:39 PM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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[ QUOTE ] AKo you have an .5% edge. AK? you have an .3% edge. AKs is very slightly -$EV. If villian turned over his cards and they AKo I would call here and fold if suited. He would have to show me first though as this gets -$EV if u factor a % of villians who tell porkies about their holdings. [/ QUOTE ] I'd take a 55-45 here with the dead money if I was sure MP1 would fold, I probably wouldn't take a bvb 55-45. I don't know if that's actually +$EV, depends on how you play with a bigger stack. [/ QUOTE ] We're in a 6.50 here. I'd probably take it in a 16-- assuming he told us he had AK and not the multitude of other hands he could have that crush 55 here.
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#46
08-02-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AKo you have an .5% edge. AK? you have an .3% edge. AKs is very slightly -$EV. If villian turned over his cards and they AKo I would call here and fold if suited. He would have to show me first though as this gets -$EV if u factor a % of villians who tell porkies about their holdings. [/ QUOTE ] I'd take a 55-45 here with the dead money if I was sure MP1 would fold, I probably wouldn't take a bvb 55-45. I don't know if that's actually +$EV, depends on how you play with a bigger stack. [/ QUOTE ] We're in a 6.50 here. I'd probably take it in a 16-- assuming he told us he had AK and not the multitude of other hands he could have that crush 55 here. [/ QUOTE ] It does not matter if its a $6.50 or $109 as villian would still have AKo. The main point that is trying to be made in this hypothectially situation is that we should not pass up a .5% edge even if its the first hand of a SNG. If u do not take your .5% then u should not take it on the bubble and thus adjust your edge in SNGPT/SNGWIZ accordingly. FWIW the breakeven equity point is 52.5%.
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