Downswing Need Sanity Check from 2+2ers

[Perk76]

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an ideal vpip would probably be 30-40 with a pfr of less than 5. you have to see as many flops as possible as cheaply as possible to beat the lowest levels of nlhe.

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WOW...Jerry thats terrible advice.

[jerryf1914]

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an ideal vpip would probably be 30-40 with a pfr of less than 5. you have to see as many flops as possible as cheaply as possible to beat the lowest levels of nlhe.

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WOW...Jerry thats terrible advice.

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i am telling him what works. i would know since i have played more 10nl than anyone. stopping playing tag is the best thing that ever happened to my game. besides i only have 1 guy in my 10nl db with a solid wr playing a tag style and several people with solid wr who are not playing tag.

[BevillTheDevil]

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an ideal vpip would probably be 30-40 with a pfr of less than 5. you have to see as many flops as possible as cheaply as possible to beat the lowest levels of nlhe.

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WOW...Jerry thats terrible advice.

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i am telling him what works. i would know since i have played more 10nl than anyone. stopping playing tag is the best thing that ever happened to my game. besides i only have 1 guy in my 10nl db with a solid wr playing a tag style and several people with solid wr who are not playing tag.

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lololololol this is the worst advice EVAR!! Thats WHY you have played more 10NL than anyone else!!!!!lolololol...obv there arent many winning tags at 10NL cause they get better and move up LDO and the ones that are there for a long period of time suck postflop!!! this could be 1 of the most redic threads ive read in a while lolololol

i hate to come off as a dick but COME ON THAT IS HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE ADIVCE!!!!

[jerryf1914]

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an ideal vpip would probably be 30-40 with a pfr of less than 5. you have to see as many flops as possible as cheaply as possible to beat the lowest levels of nlhe.

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WOW...Jerry thats terrible advice.

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i am telling him what works. i would know since i have played more 10nl than anyone. stopping playing tag is the best thing that ever happened to my game. besides i only have 1 guy in my 10nl db with a solid wr playing a tag style and several people with solid wr who are not playing tag.

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lololololol this is the worst advice EVAR!! Thats WHY you have played more 10NL than anyone else!!!!!lolololol...obv there arent many winning tags at 10NL cause they get better and move up LDO and the ones that are there for a long period of time suck postflop!!! this could be 1 of the most redic threads ive read in a while lolololol

i hate to come off as a dick but COME ON THAT IS HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE ADIVCE!!!!

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ever think that maybe i choose to stick to 10nl is because i just don't feel comfortable playing with more money in front of me?

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dont think Kurto means to play that loose/passive (30-40/3/)
but just that sometimes against horrible opponents that see tons of flops and dont fold to pfr's and dont fold to c-bets you can adjust by just seing alot of flops and value betting them to death when you make a hand. these type of players will call off alot of their stacks in unraised pots anyways so you dont have to raise as much.

game conditions arent like this that often online IMO though, maybe just like fri/sat night.

These concepts do apply more in Live FR NL games at most casinos though were players are just terrible and I think you could win by just limping often and only raising jj+ and AK and turn a good profit.

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this is the crux of the issue. unless you are running hot as balls you are not going to make a hand often enough to turn a profit if you raise pf so often.

[kurto]

I actually don't have a problem with Jerry's advice necessarily... I choose tables all the time where TAG isn't ideal.

I love tables where 3-4 players are seeing over 50% of all flops and never fold anything. Furthermore, they are passive preflop.

I seek these tables out. At these tables, raising with speculative hands is costly because you rarely take hands down with cbets and pretty much never steal blinds.

Under these conditions, you can and should see more hands from more positions as cheaply as possible.

I can't say if the $10 tables are good for this style of play since I don't play there... but I've played $25 and $50 tables where I've switched from TAG to loose/passive because the table dynamics called for it.

[BevillTheDevil]

wow ive never seen table dynamics that call for playin like 35/3 like jerry advices ...wtf that is just ludacris. plz explain kurto.

The table dynamics you give im playin my standard 22/20ish style all day.

[yapee]

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an ideal vpip would probably be 30-40 with a pfr of less than 5. you have to see as many flops as possible as cheaply as possible to beat the lowest levels of nlhe.

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WOW...Jerry thats terrible advice.

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I also thinks so. I have a friend who has recently played 2nl and I watched him do it alot. I basically think that outfolding people pf is the key to the game (and of course raising with your good hands/ when in good position). That, and getting enough money to move up as quickly as possible ;-]

[ICMoney]

Does not compute.

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I am 28/7.9/3.8 over 6,700 hands. For some background info, I am very aggressive on the button when it's folded around to me.

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[ICMoney]

Am I reading this right?

It is 4-handed and you open limp the button??

You lost less than 100bb with two pair when there were two flush draws out.

No big deal.