Tony Bigcharles: The Documentary (WITH CLIFFNOTES)

HorridSludgyBits · #1 10-31-2007, 06:02 PM

"I want to to this for no benefit to myself, just enough to cover costs of production and to help Tony out financially so that he doesn't have to do this kind of stuff anymore."

I appreciate your wanting to help him out and all, but he doesn't HAVE to do what he's doing now as it is. Unless your talking about getting him help for his addiction, I don't see why the help you gave him wouldn't end up in the same places as his SS check, just that he'll have more of it to gamble with. What am I missing here? The last thing this guy needs is a lump sum of money to gamble away.

Mark Ortega · #2 10-31-2007, 06:06 PM

I am hoping along with the monetary help he would be given, he could take a look at what we have done with him and show him that he has an addiction. To tell you the truth, he can grind out a living playing poker, he is definitely good enough to do this. His problem is, he continually drifts over to the blackjack and video poker areas and just donates his money. Depending on what kind of money is raised, he could get the help he needs from some sort of psychiatrist and maybe learn to give up on those games completely.

HorridSludgyBits · #3 10-31-2007, 06:32 PM

"neeed some ADVICE but i doubt id listen." If Tony's family/friends haven't been able to convince him, I doubt a professional could either.

Mark, I'll give you my take on things, which I'm reluctant to do since I don't know Tony personally:

First, it seems that the pit games are only part of his problem. Many of his problems stem from deficits in adaptive living skills and social skills, both of which are central to Autism, of course. He gets taken in by women, who exploit his loneliness for money, and his money management skills are non-existent. One problem with Autistic individuals is that they lack the mental processes needed to learn true social behavior, although they can learn some rote ways of handling common social situations. They also tend to be quite rigid and resistant to changing their thinking.

Tony feels good about gambling, because in the world of odds, card counting, and probability, he feels comfortable and competent, in contrast with his difficulties in society. imo, if he were to allow someone he trusts to handle and budget his money for him, while allowing him to play cards within certain limits, that might be workable for him.

Mark Ortega · #4 10-31-2007, 07:01 PM

The second part you said is a great idea, in my opinion.

My problem is, from everything I have heard in some of his talking, his mother isn't a very good person. He has a disability but was living on the streets in the '90s and panhandling. It wasn't until he got SSI that he was allowed back, I think. And that was because he was paying her money etc etc.

TS Clark · #5 10-31-2007, 07:09 PM

Frankly, he doesn't sound like he's on the autism spectrum to me, but I suppose he could be. But I just don't get that vibe from his writing.

In any case, your making a documentary isn't going to help this situation. He needs someone looking after him and helping him control his interests. If his mom isn't up the task, I really fear the worst for him, because he very obviously has a problem.

Good luck with this, assuming you are involved in his life in some way. Sounds like lots of people are lining up to take advantage of this guy. They are all, of course, going straight to hell, but that's humans for you.

sevencard2003 · #6 11-01-2007, 03:57 PM

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"neeed some ADVICE but i doubt id listen." If Tony's family/friends haven't been able to convince him, I doubt a professional could either.

Mark, I'll give you my take on things, which I'm reluctant to do since I don't know Tony personally:

First, it seems that the pit games are only part of his problem. Many of his problems stem from deficits in adaptive living skills and social skills, both of which are central to Autism, of course. He gets taken in by women, who exploit his loneliness for money, and his money management skills are non-existent. One problem with Autistic individuals is that they lack the mental processes needed to learn true social behavior, although they can learn some rote ways of handling common social situations. They also tend to be quite rigid and resistant to changing their thinking.

Tony feels good about gambling, because in the world of odds, card counting, and probability, he feels comfortable and competent, in contrast with his difficulties in society. imo, if he were to allow someone he trusts to handle and budget his money for him, while allowing him to play cards within certain limits, that might be workable for him.

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this guy is pretty accurate in what he said about me and i dont even know it. i would definitely need to have my bankroll controlled by someone i TRUST and the problem is there is no one id TRUST. mom is a FOCUS ON THE FAMILY SUPPORTER and hates me gambling online.( i was relieved she wasnt make my payee). and other women just out to use me. at least mom helped me with a place to live, let me gamble online while i lived there, and worked hard to get me SSI. i would love to have someone travel with me WHO WOULD KEEP ME AWAY from playing anything but POKER. problem is i have no one. and yes i most definitely feel (like u said) that cards is the only area in which im good at. so thats why i wanna play playing poker constantly, its the only skill i have. i could never get hired in real life. and meeting a woman very difficult because most women dont want a guy who dont know how to drive, and most women see a negative connotation to gambling, and the thing is AS LONG AS I STICK TO POKER, im not really gambling.

but u see why i feel its so unfair the govt wants to FORCE US OUTTA OUR HOMES and into casinos where we are tempted to play all the WRONG types of games, and not only that the tables are $1-2 NL games and up instead of the 10c-25c blind NL games online. i do not have the $3000-5000 roll id really need for $1-2 NL live cash games, although ive made do many times with far less and still won at it alot. and i really miss all the $1-5 stud games i used to play it horrifies me how its all died out. for that game with a bankroll as low as $500-750 u could play it for YEARS and still make over $1000 a month. (never seen a more easily winnable game for a person on a very tiny bankroll.)the govt really has no right to force disabled people outta their homes, make them travel 100s of miles to a casino, and then have to sit in a game for stakes higher than they can afford. ""how the [censored] is that supposed to help anyone""