Live 5/10 in Detroit. NFD and overcards OOP against a passive and Lag.

flytrap · #1 04-21-2007, 12:58 AM

I have around $2200, LP passive has $900, LAG has us both covered. LP is a passive player, nothing remarkable about him. Lag is a very good player who has been running over the table. He knows I have a great deal of respect for his game. He probably has some respect for mine, but knows I'm not in his league, and probably expects me to play very carefully against him. He's also very tricky, so his flop raise doesn't mean a huge hand. On to the hand:
A few limpers, LP makes is $80, folds to LAG on the button who calls. I get A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is the SB and call. I didn't raise here because LP is fairly passive and likely has a hand, and LAG will call with any two knowing I'm afraid of him. Three of us see the flop.
6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot $270
I check, villain bets $100, LAG makes it $400. I call. I was in an awkward spot here. With LAG's range, hitting an overcard is often good, and he could have very little since the PF raiser is showing weakness on the flop. I thought about raising, and certainly would have shoved if I had around $1500 or less. On the other hand, LAG knows it's highly likely I have the NFD, as I probably would have raised a set, or B3B'd with a set. The problem with pushing is it's huge overbet that only gets called by a set, 2 pair, or straight, and I lose value on a pretty good draw. Is lead, and push to a raise from either player the better way to play this?
Turn 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Pot $1170
I check, villain checks. Obviously this is a great card, but how to extract? If villain has the flush, he probably bets, but he checks most other hands. Should I just lead, to charge the 2pair and set hands? Keep in mind that I now have a large portion of his range drawing dead. River pairs the board, and I check again. Villain checks. Thoughts on all streets?

TheBronzer · #2 04-21-2007, 02:18 AM

hmm I like flop raise since you said he knows you would raise a set, you could get him to fold a decent amount of time then, no???

HoosierAlum · #3 04-21-2007, 02:26 AM

Squeeze pf.

I like bet/3bet ai on flop.

HoosierAlum · #4 04-21-2007, 02:34 AM

oh and bet turn and river

Mench · #5 04-21-2007, 01:17 PM

What will you line be if the turn is a King or Ace. You said you will often be good if you hit your overcards versus the lag, but it seems like a weird spot to extract and you will also commit as a dog a lot of the time.

What is the standard line if we hit an A or K on the turn?

Praetor · #6 04-21-2007, 02:21 PM

i like bet 3 bet on the flop here alot

i would 3 bet preflop aswell, unless this guy like never ever raises

a turn lead is kinda sexy too

FBP · #7 04-21-2007, 02:46 PM

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i like bet 3 bet on the flop here alot

i would 3 bet preflop aswell, unless this guy like never ever raises

a turn lead is kinda sexy too

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AAismyfriend · #8 04-21-2007, 03:43 PM

flat calling the flop here basically turns your hand face up, and you look super strong by raising the flop, so make it $1350 on the flop and call a shove. If vilian is as good as you say he may fold a hand like 43 or 63 if you took this line. As played lead the turn fo sho, you need to charge him if he has a set.