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Old 12-01-2007, 10:59 AM
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Default 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($56.10)
BB ($19.85)
Hero ($25.35)
MP ($54.50)
CO ($20.15)
Button ($15.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($3.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $2.25</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $2.25.

Turn: ($7.85) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

River: ($17.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ??? </font>

We have about the size of the pot left, do we checkraise allin, valuebet if we think he's going to check behind here a lot or shove?

Interested in thoughts.

villain is 44/17 and his aggression ramps up through the streets, 0.6 preflop and 7 on the river.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

hmm what do you think about check raising the turn? Then it is easier to get it in on the river.
But as played i would prob. c/r the river AI.
If he goes to showdown alot then just open shoving is as could as check raising imo.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

I dont really like CRing the turn here, even a minraise on the turn conveys masssssive strength on this board.

If we check the river intending CR and he checks behind its the same as when we shove the river and he folds.

I dont think he calls a river shove and I dont think a CR works too often here even given river AF - my style is a very aggressive straightforward style so when I'm calling down on the flop/turn its probably scarier than if I was betting at him.

Leading the river for $7.50 seems a good line perhaps?

Its hard for him to get away from getting 3.5-1 and its easy for him to raise mistakenly ?

Bleh.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

I think the best line is very player dependent. It also depends on your style of play. If you and the villain have been mixing it up previously, and he has seen you bluff, then a check raise all-in on the turn could be could be good.

If you've played tight, then because of his agression, I would try for a crai on the river.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

Raise the turn plz. He has 2 pair a lot on this board after he double barrels
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

Sorry for my typos in my first post, was still kind of sleepy.

I think if you lead the River he will more likely call you. But what we want here is to get all our money in...
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

Not a huge fan of the c/c on the flop, raising pf I would C-bet this board close to 95% of the time. Basically checking a K high board OOP tells me depending on the opponent, either he hit the nuts and wants to slowplay, or he is giving up.

Hand plays so much easier is we C-bet flop, and get called.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

I think minraising the turn is decent here then shoving river as he cant really fold if he calls the turn.

As played I shoved the river and he folded.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

Due to dynamics I didnt cbet - normally its a cbet I agree but he was going to reraise big here if I lead it and I wouldnt have been able to call for the gutshot.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:42 PM
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Default Re: 50NL, we has a gutshot, we hits a gutshot, river plan?

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Due to dynamics I didnt cbet - normally its a cbet I agree but he was going to reraise big here if I lead it and I wouldnt have been able to call for the gutshot.

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If that is the read, then I guess you are ok....but that makes me like the c/c less if we are calling to hit our gutshot/Overcard

Means he is raising with air a pretty good %, and that means we likely don't get paid of when we hit our hand, because raising folds his air....
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