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Old 08-21-2007, 03:58 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default AQs in 3bet pot.

villain is 27/13/inf. only about 20 hands on him.

do you dump this hand to the 3bet pf? i would have if it was AQo or the bet was a little bigger, but i thought this seemed reasonable.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $13.40
BB: $54.25
UTG: $21.50
Hero (CO): $49.40
BTN: $30.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)

i'm pretty sure that i'm going to get raised on this flop by AA/AK, so i wanted to make a bet that would get called by JJ/TT, since both those hands are drawing really thing against me.

<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $10.00</font>,

looks like villain has AA/AK. these hands are also drawing really thin, but how often does villain get away here? does he fold to a push so seldom that we're better off protecting against a 2 outer than calling and checking the turn to get the rest of his stack?

Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($26.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $17.20</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $17.20 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $26.35 ($1.30 Rake)

last street is easy enough.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

this is a weak assed 3bet, i call.

The only thing im not too sure about is the turn cold call, id like to 4bet here, im not folding to a push either. I dont think KQ is in his 3betting range??

Anyway, i think the way you played it is fine.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:19 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

well, yeah. i'm definately not folding on the flop. the reason i called is because i figured he had AA/AK, and i figured that i'm stack him more often on the turn than the flop. i'm just not sure if its enough of a difference to take the small chance of getting run down on the turn.
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Old 08-21-2007, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

Hes already got almost half his stack in, I think you really need to just get this in on the flop. This may be results oriented thinking since you showed the turn card, but cmon, what is he raising you to 10 with and then folding? Just make this simple and push the dang flop.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:06 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

if he has an AK, and he isn't folding nomatter what on the flop or turn, than what do i gain by that?
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:09 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

Once you've bet and get raised you have to push.
It's a wierd line to donk/call and I don't like it.

And the donk bet is a little to small I think.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:15 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

i understand that pushing is good, but under what circumstances do we gain from it? if villain is completely commited on the flop, then he's still commited on the turn. if he never folds, he's going to suck out the same ammount of the time nomatter whether i get it in on the flop or turn.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

If I can get it in now i'm doing it, why do we want to slow play? If turn is a K now AK beats you, if it's a J or T it maybe scares villain if he just has AK.

And it makes thing easier...
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:21 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

i see your line daycare but with this villians stack size he is commited on the flop, so the best thing to do would be to push. If he was deeper then he may be able to get away from a push on the flop as less of his stack is committed to the pot.
But, in this case a flop push would be optimal given stack size.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: AQs in 3bet pot.

right, but his stack isn't going to get any bigger on the turn. there are no cards that kill the action, other than if he has AA and a K comes.
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