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#11
08-07-2007, 07:57 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] I've won a lot of money by not changing my "rules" based on a read. As it turns out my rules are more often right than my reads. 
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#12
08-07-2007, 08:04 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 3 bet [/ QUOTE ] incorrect. [/ QUOTE ] why. is this another rule, never 3 bet the turn w/ one pair even against aggros? if he's got a Q, NOT 3 betting is incorrect, esp if he's incapable of folding it. you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. im actually surprised everyone thinks the villain has QT. In many instances, a hand like QT would check raise you on the flop....he has top pair. IMO he either has a set or a naked Q. [/ QUOTE ] We are behind his range and have odds to draw. Seems like a pretty easy formula for why 3rd flooring is incorrect.
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#13
08-07-2007, 08:05 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] LOL kiddo. this is our read: I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. Seriously, 3-betting this is spew.
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#14
08-07-2007, 08:09 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] LOL kiddo. this is our read: I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. Seriously, 3-betting this is spew. [/ QUOTE ] against this villain, fine. against most villains? fine. against all opponents? dont buy it.
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#15
08-07-2007, 08:12 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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against this villain, fine. against most villains? fine. against all opponents? dont buy it. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure if the read was "crazy maniac who jams any (p)air" a 3-bet would be fine.
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#16
08-07-2007, 08:27 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
i just read this, 3betting is spew though
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#17
08-07-2007, 08:39 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
Say river is a blank.
Anyone like a river raise? I think I get paid off by one pair more often if I call turn, raise river than if I 3-bet turn, bet river. I still don't feel like I'm ahead often enough, though. I think he sat down in time to see me call down w/ TT on a Q-high board on the previous orbit, so he could be a little light.
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#18
08-07-2007, 08:42 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
if the river doesn't pair the board like say the 4, then raising it is spew for the same reason 3betting the turn is spew - that we're usually behind
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#19
08-07-2007, 08:51 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
i think of things like this:
am i a favorite versus his range if 4 big bets go in on the turn and river. on that board we can't say that against an unknown. call down UI. best wishes and good luck and take care, James
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#20
08-07-2007, 09:26 AM
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Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing. [/ QUOTE ] LOL kiddo. this is our read: I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. Seriously, 3-betting this is spew. [/ QUOTE ] against this villain, fine. against most villains? fine. against all opponents? dont buy it. [/ QUOTE ] Quote me 1 post in this topic that anyone has said that we should never 3-bet this turn against any villain. Seems like there are none and this "2p2ers say to never 3bet the turn with an overpair" you've imposed on PokerBob or whoever you were responding to is a self-creation. 3-betting the turn is fine, just not here, which is what we are talking about. Just stop. It's embarassing.
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