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05-15-2007, 07:25 PM
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All-in mucks, need to show?
Playing limit cash game, three-handed, one all-in on the flop. All-in mucks before river action. Live opponent mucks to my river raise. Dealer says I have to show my hand to get the pot. I laugh and say I have the only live hand. She says, "I know, but he was all-in." I felt having a conversation about this with a dealer in the box would be counter-productive, so I tabled my flopped top two (SHIP IT HOLLA!) and moved on (tho' I'd rather have left people wondering), but this brought up a couple of questions...
(1) Do I need to show to get the pot in this situation? (2) Since the all-in player mucked before live action was complete, and the remaining player folded to a raise, is IWTSTH an option? 
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#2
05-15-2007, 07:28 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
Dealer was wrong. It's not the fact that he was all-in that causes you to have to show, it's the fact that he still has a live hand (when he still does) eligible for a portion of the pot.
IWTSTH only applies when there's a showdown.
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#3
05-15-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
would contend that IWTSTH would be an option -- but of course it would have to be requested by a player. The fact that the All-in player threw away his hand should make no difference.
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#5
05-16-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
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Dealer says I have to show my hand to get the pot. I laugh and say I have the only live hand. [/ QUOTE ] This has to be incorrect. If you think about it, if you said no and mucked...where would the pot go? It can only go to you. Everyone else forfeited their chance at a showdown and at the pot. my two scents [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#6
05-16-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
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[ QUOTE ] Dealer says I have to show my hand to get the pot. I laugh and say I have the only live hand. [/ QUOTE ] This has to be incorrect. If you think about it, if you said no and mucked...where would the pot go? It can only go to you. Everyone else forfeited their chance at a showdown and at the pot. my two scents [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] House could rule main pot to Mr All-in (or split). Reasoning: you forfeited your claim to the main pot by not showing your hand. But, go ahead. Insist that they are wrong and muck.
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#7
05-16-2007, 04:04 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
Isn't it supposed to matter HOW the person went all-in? Call someone who had you stacked = you can muck, push = you must show?
Edit to add: in the case of a showdown, I mean. If everyone else mucks, last live hand wins.
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#8
05-16-2007, 04:12 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Dealer says I have to show my hand to get the pot. I laugh and say I have the only live hand. [/ QUOTE ] This has to be incorrect. If you think about it, if you said no and mucked...where would the pot go? It can only go to you. Everyone else forfeited their chance at a showdown and at the pot. my two scents [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] House could rule main pot to Mr All-in (or split). Reasoning: you forfeited your claim to the main pot by not showing your hand. [/ QUOTE ] No, the house could not do that anymore than they could reach in your pocket and steal $500 just 'cause they felt like it. That's completely illogical. Our guy who mucked last still had cards and had put a bet out that didn't get called. His only remaining opponent mucked. He's now free to muck his hand. NO WAY someone who tossed his cards long prior wins anything.
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#9
05-16-2007, 04:17 PM
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Re: All-in mucks, need to show?
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No, the house could not do that anymore than they could reach in your pocket and steal $500 just 'cause they felt like it. That's completely illogical. Our guy who mucked last still had cards and had put a bet out that didn't get called. His only remaining opponent mucked. He's now free to muck his hand. NO WAY someone who tossed his cards long prior wins anything. [/ QUOTE ] You have never seen an illogical ruling in a cardroom? The point is, if the dealer says you have to show your hand to win the pot, no matter how stupid it sounds, show your hand. This "If I show my hand, I will be giving away so much information that I will never be able to beat the game" mentality is rather quaint.
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