TPJK v. Fischman - Tilt 32k

[fsoyars]

UTG+1 is Scott Fischman. Is leading or c/ring this flop better than c/cing? As played, how do we handle this turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t40/t80
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t6425
UTG+1: t2950
MP1: t1970
MP2: t6560
MP3: t3422
CO: t1995
Button: t6828
SB: t5576
Hero: t1580

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t80 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t120)</font>, 5 folds, SB calls t40 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t200)</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t240, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets t160</font>, SB calls t160 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t400)</font>, Hero calls t160 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t560)</font>.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t720, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets t480</font>, SB calls t480 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1200)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero?

[trimp]

I'm going to have a hard time forgetting that I saw both of the hands you posted.

[swede554]

I like leading the flop, mostly because we have a somewhat marginal hand, we're OOP, and it will make it easier to play. You should be leading you're stronger hands in this spot as well, but meta-game considerations aside, I think leading will help you make fewer mistakes on later streets.

I used to take the line you took more often, but I found myself in many spots like these where's you basically have no idea on how to proceed and I try to avoid that. As played, it looks like SB is on a draw, but I don't enough about Fischmans play to put him a good range here. You know which the standard possible holdings he could have here that will double-barrel this board vs. two opponents, and most of them beat you imo, but then again he could be double-barreling w/ worse hands as well, due to the passive line you took on the flop, so honestly I don't know.

[d2themfi]

I would def c/r the flop with ur stack. Sb is almost certainly on a flush draw or worse king given his c/c, and fishmans range for betting that flop can be any two he limped with

[Bond18]

As soon as i saw this thread i was like "i'm willing to give 100 to 1 this starts with a fischman open limp."

I win.

As for the hand, with your stack and the way Fischman plays, check raise flop to 500 and shove the turn.

[fsoyars]

LOL I was going write "chronic limper scott fischman" but I thought I'd see if others brought that read on their own.

[ShowUthExit]

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I'm going to have a hard time forgetting that I saw both of the hands you posted.

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Oh and nice contribution, thanks for your input. I'll hazard a guess that your other 11 posts were fairly similar to this one.

[furfur]

what do u put villain on? he limped UTG. Would S.F. do that with any king? seems unlikely. He may have a pp but why bet with that dry board and two opponents. Ur turn decision seems like an easy fold to me given all the action.