1-2.....tough spot against (preflop) maniac

[euroglot]

Villain has the stats 77.8/44.4/2.5/ after 27 hands.

Full ring game..

Preflop:
2 folds, Villain raises, 2 folds, I 3bet with KT, 3 folds, Villain calls.

Flop 3c 8h Qd (7.5 SB)
Villain checks, I bet, he calls.

Turn Qc (4.75BB)
Villain checks, I bet, now Villain checkraises me..

I know almost for sure he doesn't have a Q...but I don't know what to do..

Hero?

[mikeca]

Wow, I thought those kind of maniacs only existed in B&M.

I personally would not 3 bet isolate the maniac with KT. I really don’t like KT and don’t think it is a very strong hand. Still he is raising 44% preflop, so maybe this is not too bad.

The problem I always have with maniacs is they play junk hands the same as quality hands. Too many times when I try to take them on, it turns out they have a quality hand better than mine.

Since I don’t play online, don’t take what I say very seriously. I will let the online players comment

[Niediam]

Preflop: Good

Flop: Good

Turn: You can either bet intending to call down if villian raises or you can probably do the 'turn value check' line from WITHG (checking the turn but calling/raising any river). Key here is not folding.

[One Outer]

Preflop is borderline. I don't like it, but meh.

Hero folds. Am I missing something here? This looks really standard.

[Niediam]

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Preflop is borderline. I don't like it, but meh.

Hero folds. Am I missing something here? This looks really standard.

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You are missing a lot. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Folding is terrible. We will often be ahead and those times we arn't we almost always have six outs.

[joedot]

If you do anything other than fold this turn you are now the maniac. Wait for a better spot.

[euroglot]

The weird thing about those pokerforums is that everyone thinks in a different way. Now I still don't know what's the right thing to do. 1 says call down, the other fold.... ... .. ?

[OziBattler]

if you dont know how to handle a CR then consider checking behind the turn and calling a river bet when maniac bets 9 high.

[Mitke]

I'd check this turn. A scary turn card is just what maniac's love to be tricky with in HU pots. The pot is smallish. We have a hand that has a bit of showdown value against the maniac's range. A significant part of the maniac's range does contain pocket pairs, A-high and better kings too.

I'd choose the path-of-smaller-variance here and check the turn and call/check behind any river I miss and raise if I hit. Betting risks having to pay 3BB to see showdown or folding the best hand and I'd hate to do that (although the pot is smallish). The maniac will bluff the river with a lot of hands we beat here after we show weakness on the turn.

If we are ahead the villain has probably 6-ish outs. Giving a free card in a smallish pot is not risking much here. I don't think our equity exceeds 2.5BB (by much at least) on turn and we sometimes win 1-2BB more when the maniac bluffs the river we either catch a bluff and/or raise with a hit.

I honestly don't know if this line is more EV+ than betting the turn but against a very aggressive villain it's at least a line I'd feel comfortable, but weakish, with.

As played, I'd call the turn. 7.75:1 and the villain's range consists a bluff we beat or a hand we can beat if we catch a lot of the time here. Calling the river then with K-high getting 9.75:1 sucks big time but villain's bluffing frequency for turn c/r - river lead needs to be only 9.3%.

[One Outer]

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You are missing a lot. Folding is terrible.

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Ignore me; I'm exhausted.

Are you talking about preflop? I'm ok with the preflop but I don't think it's great. I guess I just don't really have a lot of experience with this type of player. Fortunately, I play at a cardroom overflowing with passive as opposed to maniacal donkeys.