**Official uNL Microbrew thread: September** - Page 53

MrWooster · #**521** 09-06-2007, 08:22 AM

Looks like today is the day for 4 of a kind:

2 more -

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($7.35)
Hero ($9.90)
MP ($11.05)
Button ($11.40)
SB ($6.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $0.4, 3 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.90) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.7, BB calls $0.70.

River: ($2.30) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB folds.

Final Pot: $4.30

Results in white below:
Hero has As Jc (four of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $4.30.

LOL at this one:

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($9.90)
Hero ($10.99)
Button ($17.31)
SB ($3.21)
BB ($22.45)
UTG ($5.21)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.10, MP (poster) checks, Hero raises to $0.6, 1 fold, SB calls $0.55, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds.

Flop: ($2) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($2) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $2

Results in white below:
SB has 4s As (one pair, tens).
UTG has Tc Th (four of a kind, tens).
Hero has Ah Qc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $2.

Also one had where I folded 66 PF to a raise and flop came 66x - so thats 5 in one morning!!!!

ama0330 · #**522** 09-06-2007, 08:22 AM

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GET A GRIP AMA!!!!!1!1!!

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WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

There's no way I have the balls to play higher than this lol

OneBigRed · #**523** 09-06-2007, 08:29 AM

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Why call flop raise if you don't want to get it in on a blank turn?

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Read the whole post? That was the plan, but i froze on the turn when i started to think about his range on this board, and the fact that he was leaving. At the time he's hand just started to feel rather strong.

Chomp · #**524** 09-06-2007, 08:45 AM

Wow guys, the moaning is really getting out of hand. Come on. It's a very -EV mindset to get in to IMO.

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Both villains reg 23/10/2 types - sooooooo many of these guys at my network it's amazing. Both slightly short of 100BB. Hero is playing good, solid TAG poker. I doubt they take me for a monkey or maniac.

Anyway, just get the hell out? Or push it? I folded and there was no SD, so I don't know what they had. I think a fold is good, if for no other reason than it's a low-variance move which is something I'm into at the moment at 50NL.

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Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button Button ($40.77)
SB ($49.50)
BB BB ($36.35)
UTG ($58.75)
UTG+1 Hero ($57.85)
CO ($145.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
1 fold, Hero raises to $2.00, 1 fold, Button calls $2.00, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop (6.25) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets $5.00, Button raises to $10.00, BB calls $10.00, Hero folds.

ama0330 · #**525** 09-06-2007, 08:50 AM

Meleader, you aren't adjusting well. You need to focus more on value betting and not so much on marginal spots.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $108.90
BB: $20.00
UTG: $13.15
MP: $104.10
Hero (CO): $103.15
BTN: $240.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, MP folds, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN calls $4.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.50

Flop: ($15) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, UTG raises all-in to $8.65, Hero raises to $33.00, BTN calls $28.00

Turn: ($89.65) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 All-In)
Hero bets all-in for $65.65, BTN calls $65.65

River: ($220.95) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $220.95 ($3 Rake)

BTN had T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$114.80)
UTG had 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Twos) and LOST (-$13.15)
Hero had 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Nines) and LOST (-$103.15)

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I really dont like this raise on the flop. You made a really good read but your raise puts you in all kinds of drama given that you are OOP and you are multiway. Given that you are OOP I would MUCH rather lead. I have taken to leading from OOP just because you are at such a huge disadvantage for the rest of the hand. Given that you are very marginal I would be thinking about how many BB I would want to throw at this hand, my answer being "not many". For that reason I would NOT raise here.

My line would be lead, re-evaluate, and be ready to dump. I would even consider just checkfolding here, there's really no good way to play such a marginal hand OOP on this board, especially multiway. You should definitely have folded the turn, I don't know what you are hoping to achieve there.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $102.00
BB: $77.40
UTG: $95.65
MP: $98.90
CO: $104.40
BTN: $112.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, MP calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($5) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero bets $5.00, BB folds, UTG raises to $12.00, 2 folds, Hero raises all-in to $101.00, UTG calls all-in for $82.65
Uncalled bet of $6.35 returned to Hero

Turn: ($194.30) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($194.30) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $194.30 ($3 Rake)

UTG had 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Threes) and WON (+$95.65)
Hero had 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$95.65)

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Here's a lesson to learn today - "pair plus flushdraw is almost never as strong as you think it is". Think of the hands that he is willing to stack off with here, in a LIMPED pot. You will never have much more than 40 - 45% equity. If thats how you roll then thats okay but I don't like to stack off that light.

Board: 3h 4h 7s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.916% 42.33% 00.59% 19276 268.00 { Qh7h }
Hand 1: 57.084% 56.50% 00.59% 25728 268.00 { 77, 44-33, Ah5h, Kh2h, 74s-73s, 65s, 43s, 74o-73o, 65o, 43o }

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $134.60
BB: $135.00
UTG: $110.60
MP: $111.60
CO: $99.50
Hero (BTN): $99.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, CO folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $8.00, MP calls $8.00

Turn: ($26.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $20.00, MP calls $20.00

River: ($66.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
MP bets $37.00, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $37.00 returned to MP

Pot Size: $66.50 ($3 Rake)

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What makes you think you have any FE here? Remember, right now you have KING HIGH and you have only one card to come. It is true that NL100 is a calling station heaven so do NOT get into the habit of doubling your draws! Sure you picked up some outs on the turn but the club draw counterfiets a couple of them anyway, and I don't know if you had a read but he has to be pretty tight to fold a Jack or a two pair in my experience. He's giving you a shot at a free card - take it! If he has a lower FD then you are basically freerolling him with your King anyway. Don't like this double here.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $110.80
BB: $151.90
Hero (UTG): $111.70
MP: $135.60
CO: $111.00
BTN: $126.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero raises to $3.50, MP folds, CO raises to $12.00, 3 folds, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $22.00, Hero calls $22.00

Turn: ($69.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($69.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Pot Size: $69.50 ($3 Rake)

CO had K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Kings and Threes) and WON (+$32.50)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Threes) and LOST (-$34.00)

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This is pretty dirty. I hate your flop call. What do you beat on the flop? AK and nothing more. You cant flat call preflop and call the flop, because if you think there was a chance you were behind preflop, you're still behind now. If you thought you were ahead preflop, you should have 4bet, or shoved over on the flop. Do you see what I mean? Its like "preflop - I think Im behind so I flat call, because I need to flop a set. flop - I missed my set so therefore im still behind... so I put $22 in??" This is a RIO nightmare. I personally would rather 4bet this preflop and call a shove than play it this way. If you want to play like this then you have to shove the river because you are never ahead here and your only shot to win is to rep AK. I think you were lucky to get to SD to be honest.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $108.30
BB: $90.50
Hero (UTG): $103.50
MP: $100.00
CO: $131.00
BTN: $129.65

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero calls $1.00, MP folds, CO raises to $4.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

Turn: ($22.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($22.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.00, Hero calls $10.00

Pot Size: $42.50 ($2.10 Rake)

CO had 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ([3c 4c] King Queen high) and LOST (-$20.50)
Hero had 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Fives) and WON (+$19.90)

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God this is so dirty. Do NOT do this out of position. This again is a reverse implied odds disaster. It doesnt matter that you won here, your equity in this pot is minimal and you have next to no showdown value. I really dislike your river call because your hand is a bluffcatcher. I'll do this against hugely moronic players who I have a tight read on only. Your hand is a bluff and for that reason I would much rather bet the turn, but being OOP makes this so much more difficult. I think you leak from OOP, you need to look at this more. Just flop your set or get out.

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Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $171.15
BB: $125.95
UTG: $111.10
MP: $100.00
CO: $224.75
Hero (BTN): $99.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $1.00, Hero raises to $4.50, SB folds, BB calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($14) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $14.00, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $14.00 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $14.00 ($0.70 Rake)

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Seems okay.

You've got some leaks but its nothing you cant fix. You can't get away with basic problems like playing OOP and making loose calls like you could at 50nl. From looking at these hands you need to think about two main things, reverse implied odds and position.

Stick with it. Its a bitch at the beginning and Im going through the same dramas.

Nogatsira · #**526** 09-06-2007, 09:45 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($21.30)
Button ($14.40)
SB ($35.40)
BB ($50.05)
Hero ($30.15)
MP ($15.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, MP raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($12.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $11.45, MP folds, CO raises to $17.3, Hero calls $5.85.

Turn: ($46.95) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($46.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $46.95

Results :
Hero has Ah Kc (two pair, aces and sixes).
CO has Tc As (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: CO wins $46.95.

Im pretty sure he's a winning player..

ama0330 · #**527** 09-06-2007, 09:55 AM

Im seriously none for 30 in tournaments. I cannot win a fuckign flip. It is driving me god damn insane. HOnestly I have NO idea how anyone ever wins these things, I just cant imagine that its even possible to actually win a tournament. How the hell is it possible?

Nogatsira · #**528** 09-06-2007, 10:00 AM

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Im seriously none for 30 in tournaments. I cannot win a fuckign flip. It is driving me god damn insane. HOnestly I have NO idea how anyone ever wins these things, I just cant imagine that its even possible to actually win a tournament. How the hell is it possible?

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I won a tourney with 800 runners yesterday. And just dont flip, play smallpot poker, they all call down very weak.

OT: i just got someone else call my 3bet preflop with K7 while I was holding AK on a K74 board GOTTA LUV IT

meleader2 · #**529** 09-06-2007, 10:48 AM

thanks for the input ama

ama0330 · #**530** 09-06-2007, 10:55 AM

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thanks for the input ama

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no worries, good luck with it all.