Interesting LO8 Hand that I think is open to discussion

[Gobias Ind.]

Standard FT O8 $2/4 game: Dumb post-flop raises, bad river calling, AAxx won't be folded on any board, etc

Hero:
A,2,3,4 w/ weak suits is 2-bet (UTG) into preflop.



Full Tilt Poker Game #4024640283: Table Pyramid - $2/$4 - Limit Omaha H/L - 14:18:09 ET - 2007/10/31
Seat 1: SammytheWhiff ($104.50)
Seat 2: gooch5000 ($76)
Seat 3: Lourdes-KY ($39)
Seat 4: Eott ($74.50)
Seat 5: RoyBau ($57)
Seat 6: Johnnyj580 ($66)
Seat 7: BabbaGanoush ($37.50)
Seat 8: Upscope ($85)
Seat 9: terpz ($42.50)
gooch5000 posts the small blind of $1
Lourdes-KY posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Johnnyj580 [2h 3c 4h As]
Eott raises to $4
RoyBau folds
Johnnyj580 calls $4
BabbaGanoush calls $4
Upscope folds
terpz folds
SammytheWhiff folds
gooch5000 folds
Lourdes-KY calls $2
*** FLOP *** [5d 6c Kd]
Lourdes-KY has 15 seconds left to act
Lourdes-KY checks
Eott bets $2
Johnnyj580 calls $2
BabbaGanoush raises to $4
Lourdes-KY calls $4
Eott calls $2
Johnnyj580 calls $2
*** TURN *** [5d 6c Kd] [4s]
Lourdes-KY bets $4
Eott raises to $8
Johnnyj580 raises to $12
BabbaGanoush calls $12
Lourdes-KY raises to $16
Eott has 15 seconds left to act
Eott calls $8
Johnnyj580 calls $4
BabbaGanoush calls $4
*** RIVER *** [5d 6c Kd 4s] [8c]
Lourdes-KY bets $4
Eott calls $4
Johnnyj580 calls $4
BabbaGanoush has 15 seconds left to act
BabbaGanoush folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lourdes-KY shows [Jd 7c Ts 8d] a straight, Eight high, for high and 8,7,6,5,4, for low
Eott shows [Ah 3h 5s 2c] a straight, Six high, for high and 6,5,4,2,A, for low
Johnnyj580 shows [2h 3c 4h As] a straight, Six high, for high and 6,5,4,2,A, for low
Lourdes-KY wins the high pot ($53) with a straight, Eight high
Eott ties for the low pot ($26.50) with 6,5,4,2,A
Johnnyj580 ties for the low pot ($26.50) with 6,5,4,2,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $109 | Rake $3
Board: [5d 6c Kd 4s 8c]
Seat 1: SammytheWhiff (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: gooch5000 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Lourdes-KY (big blind) showed [Jd 7c Ts 8d] and won ($53) with HI: a straight, Eight high; LO: 8,7,6,5,4
Seat 4: Eott showed [Ah 3h 5s 2c] and won ($26.50) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 5: RoyBau didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Johnnyj580 showed [2h 3c 4h As] and won ($26.50) with HI: a straight, Six high; LO: 6,5,4,2,A
Seat 7: BabbaGanoush folded on the River
Seat 8: Upscope didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: terpz didn't bet (folded)


Pre-flop:
Is smooth-calling too nitty? Does the majority like to 3bet this?

Flop: Diamonds aren't folding for 2bets. Personally, I see no point in jamming this w/ low-lock/wrap draw. Agree/disagree?

Turn: Im not a fan of my raise here as I'm likely getting 1/4ed. Though I am locking any low riv and could break even if high straight jams into a diamond draw. Like/Hate turn raise?

Riv: Standard


3Betting preflop most-likely would've given me 3/4, but is it results-oriented?

[Buzz]

Gobias - Nothing unusual.

You got quartered with the nut low. In a nine handed game it happens roughly two times out of five when you make the nut low with ace-deuce. Standard.

And your bottom end straight lost. Also standard.

A234 is the best possible starting hand for low but it's damn sure not the best possible starting hand for high.

[ QUOTE ]
3Betting preflop most-likely would've given me 3/4, but is it results-oriented?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes and no.

I agree with Howzit.

Buzz

[howzit]

gobias,

please use a converter out of respect to the people who go over your hands.

[howzit]

preflop: call. you want players

flop: jam. backdoor flush with wrap. you say diamonds won't fold so stick it in.

turn: call two. very strong action, you're beat for high and likely chopping low.

river: if checked to bet. if it goes bet, call, then call.
if it goes, check, bet, then raise since UTG can have some BS hand and you say he sucks.

[howzit]

nm about hte back door flush.

[franknagaijr]

I'm trying to 'buzz' this one by responding without reading the other responses.

Preflop Seems pretty standard to me, in that you were the second in the pot, and with that hand you want as many folks in the hand preflop as possible. A 3 bet might put you heads up, and what do you gain there?

Flop: I also see no point in jamming without a made hand. I'm probably wrong.

Turn: Nut low and the butt-end of a straight? Pump it up!

River: Standard

Edit: I defer to anybody elses opinion on limit. And a hand converter would be helpful indeed.