WSoP woman in final 9 +EV?

[Thremp]

1 woman... 30+ years.

Previous years you had to outlast a smaller portion of the field but there was also less entrants if you assume average skill for all players.

[SamIAm]

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I'm actually inclined to believe that the average woman is better than the average male...

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Good grief, based on what???

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I find it less likely that a crappy woman player would put-up the $10k. It seems more likely that a man believes he's good at poker because he's seen a buncha cowboy movies.

An even stronger correlation, in my opinion, is that if a rich chick was looking for a new hobby to lose money at, it seems much less likely that she'd choose poker, while I'm sure there are plenty of rich men that do just that.

I think the average woman in the main event is better than the average male in the main event. (I'm not talking about the trophy wife you played against at the $4/$8 table, while her husband played higher.)

Anyway, I don't think it matters enough to much effect MCS's calculations. I agree with him that the value of this bet is largely related to whether there will be more than 3% women.
-Sam

[Runner Runner]

Here are my thoughts copied from another thread on this subject:

Don't forget this is a LONG event. What time of morning did the last WSOP end? Even if a woman is fortunate enough to make it to the final table after several long days of play, she's going to be very tired and not playing that great in the wee hours of the morning. Woman need more sleep then men.....this is a simple fact. I will make this bet at said odds, but I hate to tie up money for that long. I will wait and play it closer to the Main Event if it's available at that price. I would also take a bet against a person older then 55 winning the WSOP for some of the same reasons.

Also:

Also, for a week long event, there is a greater chance of that time of month falling on one of the days of play (more so then a 3 day event). These are all factors that must be considered.

[Thremp]

Sam,
I think there was a pushbot strategy determined for men buying their daughters/wives etc into WSOP events purely for glamour of them saying they played. Some of these have never played before or play very very poorly. I would not say the average woman is better than the average man. I think it such a small detail too.

Basically I think the biggest edges all belong to men who take up the greatest % of high placing over the long run.

Look at the person bets to FT or win on Pinny and tell me the number of men and # of women. And which of the women haev NLHE as their best game.

[NajdorfDefense]

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Sam,
I think there was a pushbot strategy determined for men buying their daughters/wives etc into WSOP events purely for glamour of them saying they played. Some of these have never played before or play very very poorly. I would not say the average woman is better than the average man. I think it such a small detail too.

Basically I think the biggest edges all belong to men who take up the greatest % of high placing over the long run.

Look at the person bets to FT or win on Pinny and tell me the number of men and # of women. And which of the women haev NLHE as their best game.

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I love the 'No.' And most women don't have huge talent at NLHE, but most other games instead.

Naj

[MCS]

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I think there was a pushbot strategy determined for men buying their daughters/wives etc into WSOP events purely for glamour of them saying they played.

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Can you explain what you're talking about here? "Pushbot strategy"?

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Look at the person bets to FT or win on Pinny and tell me the number of men and # of women.

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Did you actually do this yourself? I'd be interested in hearing the numbers.

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And which of the women haev NLHE as their best game.

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I am sure plenty do, but this isn't really relevant.

[Thremp]

1) Its a strat to take away the edge from playing with better players. You can't "outplay" an all-in. You either have it and call or don't and fold. It helps to level the playing field. I read in some random book (2+2 maybe?) that it was for a WSOP event where a big time casino guy wanted his daughter to play and he needed a real basic way to teak her.
2) No it's just overwhelmingly men. These listed people also respresent a disproportinate amount of wins between them.
3) How so? Do you really think that Sammy Farha does not skew the % of wins in every PLO tourney with his massive edge? Over a very long event such as the main event talent starts to win out. Women who are weak NLHE players will start to drop out. Some of the best women players don't have NLHE as their best game which further weakens this bet as they comprise some of the largest equity for women.

[SamIAm]

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And which of the women haev NLHE as their best game.

[/ QUOTE ]I am sure plenty do, but this isn't really relevant.

[/ QUOTE ]3) How so?

[/ QUOTE ]I assume MCS meant that it matters how good the women in the event are at NLHE, not whether some other game is their favorite. Whatever.

The pushbot idea is interesting; I didn't know that happened. Sounds boring as hell for the wife. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Sam

edit: I thought Ed's GettingStarted had a pushbotty NL strategy.

[Thremp]

Dannenman talks about he reduces the edge of pros by doing this. It stops people from playing back and effectively turns it into a luck type scenario where all you do is read people and assign ranges and call and hope to be ahead of their range. Its like Rounders except less cool than 5 betting preflop with air.

[Freerollin`]

The push strategy is in Tournament Poker by Sklansky.