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#21
11-15-2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)
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A-hi 3-betting a drawy board in position HU is so ridiculously standard in the Stars 5, though moreso when I c/r from the BB vs. a stealer. [/ QUOTE ] It must be a level thing then, because I hardly ever use or see that move. So the line is 3-bet the flop, bet safe turns and check behind the river? I guess it's cheaper than raising the turn. 
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#22
11-15-2007, 09:22 PM
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Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah. For some reason he likes to keep initiative in position on drawy boards when he thinks your range includes a lot of draws. [/ QUOTE ] lol really? [/ QUOTE ] You weren't doing this? [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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#23
11-15-2007, 09:24 PM
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Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yeah. For some reason he likes to keep initiative in position on drawy boards when he thinks your range includes a lot of draws. [/ QUOTE ] lol really? [/ QUOTE ] You weren't doing this? [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] pls show me an example.
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#24
11-15-2007, 09:43 PM
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Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)
Whats retarded is if people do it on drawy boards..
cause you can get capped with a draw or a made hand (putting you on a draw), plus you have like - fold equity. The A hi 3-bet in position is retarded and makes no sense unless someone will fold a better hand... which is never. The only reason you want to 3-bet these hands in position is if you KNOW you are beat but they will very unlikely cap, so you can take a free card AND FOLD THE RIVER. Sethy, I cap flop and check the turn... But I balance my play by taking this line with monsters too so... I dont really care taht much when they bet. If efficacy really takes the 3-bet flop line with A hi on the worst board to do it, then please cap the flop and bet the turn. I doubt he's raising one pair on the turn after you cap the flop.
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#25
11-16-2007, 03:43 AM
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Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)
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pls show me an example. [/ QUOTE ] I was thinking of this hand: PokerStars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls. Flop: (4.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#FF0000">MP bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, MP calls. Turn: (6.20 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. River: (8.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. Final Pot: 10.20 BB Results: <font color="#FFFFFF"> MP shows As, Kh (high card Ace). Hero shows Js, Tc (high card Jack). Outcome: MP wins 9.90 BB. ($3.00 Rake) </font> But it turns out this was a different 2+2er who should never be calling me down with A-high here (since I've never bet the river with worse until this hand) and even said "gift" in the chat before paying me off. Also, wow I played this hand so badly. At least I was right that he had AK.
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