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Old 11-15-2007, 04:42 PM
sethypooh21 sethypooh21 is offline
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Default Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

Villain is efficacy - PS 5/10

I open CO with KdQd, he 3-balls (like he does) OTB

Flop is T9xdd.

what should my plan be against someone who will fold a better hand rarely/never?
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

If you dont fold better hands you should just c/c.

If you c/c and showdown you might wanna give it a pop the next time.
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:29 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

cap pre?

I think you should c/r for value because you're ahead of all of his hands except for KK AA 99 TT

yes you are even ahead of QQ and are only a 45/55 dog to KK AA. you have 33% equity vs a set
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

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Villain is efficacy - PS 5/10

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Fold preflop, he runs too good.

No, but seriously...

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I open CO with KdQd, he 3-balls (like he does) OTB

Flop is T9xdd.

what should my plan be against someone who will fold a better hand rarely/never?

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Funny, I got in a ton of spots like that last night with him. After trying a bunch of things that failed for different reasons, I found that the best way to play OOP with a board like this is to play super straight-forward. He will 3-bet a c/r with A-high so often that you're better off just check-calling. If you make your flush draw, I would donk the turn, but if you make your straight, I would checkraise. If you make a pair, check-call again and possibly donk the river depending on what it is. My thought process there is if you donk a turned top pair, he will raise all his better hands and fold all the hands that are drawing dead or to 2 outs.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

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He will 3-bet a c/r with A-high so often

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lol really?

also i just don't see how you can't checkraise this hand on the flop.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

get ur money in on the flop, dont bother betting the river unless an 8 falls or u improve.
Ur implied odds arent really hurt by jamming the flop since there are other stron draws you could have when jamming.

Plus these are great flops to cap flop then c/r blank turns with monsters.

equity win tie pots won pots tied

Hand 0: 56.204% 53.38% 02.82% 54432 2879.50 { KdQd }
Hand 1: 43.796% 40.97% 02.82% 41779 2879.50 { 77+, A9s+, KJs+, ATo+, KQo }
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

Ya of course you should just jam here.

I take it back and I need to stop being nitty in these spots. I think its a leak of mine
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

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He will 3-bet a c/r with A-high so often

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lol really?


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Yeah. For some reason he likes to keep initiative in position on drawy boards when he thinks your range includes a lot of draws.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

does he bet the turn w/ these ace high hands?

i bet he waits until the turn to pop good hands.

if he bets the turn with these ace high hands, then his turn betting range after 3-betting the flop is probably weighted heavily enough that you can c/r/call flop, c/r turn and get him to fold enough to turn a profit.

if he checks behind the turn with these ace high hands, then awesome, i got to the river for less than i would have if he just called the flop c/r.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:14 PM
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Default Re: Flop big draw OOP, no fold equity(?)

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He will 3-bet a c/r with A-high so often

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lol really?


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Yeah. For some reason he likes to keep initiative in position on drawy boards when he thinks your range includes a lot of draws.

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lol really?
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