A survey on rake (time) in each B&M cardrooms

[jk90029]

Dear 2+2ers-

Recently I heard that the Canterbury Park In Minneapolis raised the pot rake from $4 to $5. Although I visited couple of places in Los Angels and Atlantic City, I have no way to see the rake amount of each cardrooms. If someone can say the pot rake is NOT a big problem, then please read the paragraph below.

It is simple to figure out how much a young man shall pay the life-time rake, who began poker at 25 and finish poker 55 and continue playing 1000 hours every year (say, as a regular player) The $5 rake is equivalent to hourly rake of about $25, for estimated 45 hands per hour. He pays $25K per SINGLE year and WILL PAY total $750K in his 30 years of poker life, except his tipping to dealers.

Therefore, after CP raised from $4 to $5, the young man pay
from $600K to $750K as his total life-time rake. So $1 increase shall charge him $150K more in his life.

Here is what I know so far.
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Commerce $5/$10 NLHE ($400buy) pot-rake $5 + $1(jackpot), $1 for no flop
-> Average hourly charge is about $25 in the long run for average player, if 45 hands are played per hour.
Commerce $15/$30 LHE $14 per hour
Commerce $15/$30 LHE $14 per hour
HollywoodPark $5/$10 NLHE ($400buy) pot-rake $4 + $1(jackpot), $1 for no flop
-> Average hourly charge is about $20 in the long run for average player, if 45 hands are played per hour.
Bicycle and HG charge almost same amount as HP.
Borgata in Atlantic City $5/$10 NLHE ($1500buy) FIXED $10 per hour
TajMahal in Atlantic City $15/$30 LHE FIXED $12 per hour


PokerStars $2/$4 LHE 4 to 5 dollars per hour, based on my past 50 hour data with PokerTracker with 70 hands per hour.
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Please add more information, if you have experience of other places. Correct any misinformation, if any.

-Jay

[mikeinNY]

Turning Stone I believe is 10% up to $4, but I'm not sure if there is a jackpot drop. Would be great if they made this a sticky and everyone from around country posted all the card rooms so that it can be referred back to, a directory or something with rakes would be cool.

[jk90029]

I found someone else made a similar posting before, as below.

LA's three major cardrooms are CLEARLY SHOWN at http://www.tworags.com/files/la%20comps.htm .

The posting by EdmondDantes seems very valuable, especially for frequent travelers like me. It includes even game type, rough number of tables running at night and rake.

-Jay

[rubixxcube]

I noted time charges on the 1/2 hour as that is when they collect them in atlantic city, i would assume CA is the same however i think its better to list on the half hour as some may think they pay it every hour and not the 1/2 hour. There is a slight difference as you would be sure you were staying almost the full hour if they collected on the hour and not the 1/2.

Atlantic City Limits I know:
All Limit Holdem/Stud/Omaha 5/10 and under are 10% to $4.
10/20 LHE is $5 on the 1/2 hour.
10/20 Stud/Omaha are 10% to $4.
20/40 LHE/Stud is $7 on the 1/2 hour

1/2 NL is 10% to 4$
2/5 NL varies, I have to investigate, will be down this weekend, but some places its 10% to $4 and others charge $5 ont the 1/2 hour. Borgata i believe is time.


as noted above in Atlantic City $15/$30 LHE FIXED $12 per hour
however i don't know of ANY place in AC that still spreads this game. My two favorite games used to be 15/30 LHE and 15/30 Stud, however they have recently gotten rid of them at the Taj and it goes 10/20,20/40.30/60,40/80 and i think they have gotten rid of 30/60 as well last time i checked. Correct me if i am wrong and please tell me where the 15/30 LHE games are in AC.

[jk90029]

To rubixxcube-

How about the rough number of tables running at night, in each games and places?

-Jay

[SellingtheDrama]

Borgata 2/5 NL is $5 per half hour
Borgata 5/10 NL is $6 per half hour

Borgata any raked game (1/2 NL, LHE under 10/20) is 10%, $4 max. No jackpots anywhere.

[Mike Gallo]

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Correct me if i am wrong and please tell me where the 15/30 LHE games are in AC

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The Taj will spead $15-$30 if they have an interest list long enough.

They spread the game about 3 months ago.

[jk90029]

More info from a friend-

Venetian
2/5 $100-1$000,10% upto $4
10/20 $800buy, $7/HH
Bellagio
2/5 $200-$500, 10% upto$4
10/20 $800buy $7/HH
30/60 $500buy $6/HH
40/80 $800buy $7/HH
60/120 $1000buy $7/HH

Foxwoods(100+ tables)
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE

Borgata
12 tables of $300buy(1/2) NLHE
6 tables of $500buy(2/5) NLHE

Keep me posted.

-Jay

[SellingtheDrama]

ummm your friend is wrong on the Borgata # tables - they'll spread more than that.

[rubixxcube]

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ummm your friend is wrong on the Borgata # tables - they'll spread more than that.

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I'll agree with this. During the week they may float around those number but on weekends i have seen 15-20 1/2 NL games and a few more 2/5 running as well.

The thing about # of tables is that it varies a lot from weekends to weekdays and by time of day.

Weekends for example at borgata you will usually see 4-6 10/20 holdem and 4-6 20/40 holdem but during the week those numbers are more like 2-4 and these numbers are less in the early morning and morning until you hit the afternoon when more show up.

The Taj spreads about the same on LHE tables, not sure about NL at the taj.

Stud games at taj at 10/20 and 20/40 are usually 2-3 at each level sometimes more for 20/40.

The borgata only spreads 20/40 stud on saturdays usually and its only 1 table. No other low-mid limit stud is spread at the borgata, or if it is it is very rare.
**I will play this game sometimes as they will give some good incentives to players in this game to keep us stud players away from the taj. Example on more than 1 occasion with an almost full table we asked floor for a Free Half hour,(No Time Charge), and they granted it. Last time around 6pm they came around and comped everyone $25 to the restaurant of their choice as well. This game runs in the High Limit Room also so Free Redbulls and Fiji Water.

They almost always have 1 10/20 stud8/O8 2 way game with a half kill. On busy weekends they sometimes open up a second one if list is long and they have a spare table.

Taj also has a 1 3/6 two way game which is a full kill game and occasionally they get a 5/10 O8 with a full kill going if there is enough interest.

taj also spreads a few 2/4 omaha h/l game usually. 1-2 tables.

Borgata every once in a while spreads 2/4 O8 as well.

I'm staying down there tonight so i will try to remember to write some counts down on tables tonight and tomorrow.