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Old 05-25-2006, 02:04 PM
chucky chucky is offline
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Default Thought my turn call was right

Is it? The turn call made sense to me at the time because there was zero chance for a flush. I also calculated a max of 13 nut straight outs.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.13
UTG+1: $11.30
UTG+2: $25
MP1: $32.95
MP2: $41.55
MP3: $25
CO: $14.15
Button: $20.70
phanekim: $24.60
BB: $25.95


Pre-flop: (10 players) phanekim is SB with 7h 8h 6d 2d
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO folds, Button calls, phanekim calls, BB (poster) checks.


Flop: 5h Qs Ac ($1.75, 7 players)
phanekim checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.


Turn: 4d ($1.75, 7 players)
phanekim checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button bets $1, phanekim calls, 4 folds, MP3 raises to $5.7, Button calls, phanekim calls.


River: 3h ($18.85, 3 players)
phanekim bets $9.52, MP3 calls, Button raises all-in $14.75, phanekim calls, MP3 calls.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:08 PM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

Undoubtedly. You have a huge amount of outs.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

You should call that turn, as you said, if there is no flush draw showing and there are 2 other players involved in the hand.
As you state correctly, you had 13 outs from 44 unknown cards. Heads up, you do not make this call if it means a significant amount of money going into the pot. 3 way hand, when you factor in the dead money in the pot, you need 25% equity (which you have) assuming another straight wrap isnt out there. Basically, your call was fine IF and only IF you think that the last player to act (in this case the button) will NOT reraise. When you call, you really want to be in a position where your call closes the action, with people left to act behind you , and given that your equity is pretty close, you may want to fold here.
What you dont want is for the button to come over the top.
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

I know. The weird thing is that when I ran the hand afterwards on propokertools.com, I was only 25% pot equity because button shared some outs. I guess my question is this, On a board like this where it no one can draw a flush and no one is playing like they have a set, how often should you stick around for what is probably a split pot?
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Old 05-25-2006, 03:06 PM
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25% is still more than enough to make the call correct three ways. You should always stick around if you have both ends of a huge wrap with lots of nut outs, as in this case. If your draw is worse you can use your judgement.
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Old 05-25-2006, 03:44 PM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

I'm curious if you were conscientious about the fact that your call closed the action. For me, let's say you check, button bets, MP7 raises, and you act with button behind? I lean towards folding here...if you call MP7's raise and are left with $20 behind and button pushes, then what?

But well done the way you played it.
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Old 05-25-2006, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

I think you made an interesting river call. You won $5 extra by having him flat call on the river. However, if you raised you could of potentially won $15. Therefore, if he calls with a worse hand on the $5 bet 3/10 times he only has to call the $15 bet 1/10 times for you to break even. What does everyone think of raising the river here? I think that you made the right play by calling, but it is open for debate. If you can get him to call with 62 then nice.
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Old 05-26-2006, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: Thought my turn call was right

Greatwhite,
I think you should start reading the hand histories more carefully before commenting. In this thread you recommend that hero should raise the turn, in fact he bet full pot on the turn and got one caller. In this thread OP is the player who leads the river and the betting is never re-opened.
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