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#11
11-13-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
it depends on the stacksizes. and its the same in nlhe or plo - for 20bb eff. position is not important because when u want to play a hand you either reraise preflop and are comitted or u call and on a favorable flop raise all-in / check-raise all-in, as for 200-300bb position is huge advantage
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#12
11-13-2007, 01:28 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
i have to dis agree greatly. i find that position is paramount in plo, looking at my stats they agree also
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#13
11-13-2007, 02:53 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
Not sure if this will be articulated right.
Position is very important me. But relative position to what you're trying to do is more so. ie, the float/check/bet is usually better OOP against the raise all pre and flop monkeys. But playing marinal to set up future big hands seems to work better w/position. Not to hijack. But I think table selection is almost as important at mid stakes.
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#14
11-13-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
I'm not sure these headsup analogies are particularly useful, Round, as to what I believe Pete is driving at. Which is, at a guess, that in the current games we play in, the win rates in postion are not as stark as we might expect. But on reflection, we *should* expect that.
gl bdd
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#15
11-13-2007, 07:19 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
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I'm not sure these headsup analogies are particularly useful, Round, as to what I believe Pete is driving at. Which is, at a guess, that in the current games we play in, the win rates in postion are not as stark as we might expect. But on reflection, we *should* expect that. gl bdd [/ QUOTE ] What I'm driving at is that I've compared PLO and NLH statistically and I think the case that position is more important in NLH is crystal clear.
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#18
11-13-2007, 09:42 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
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[ QUOTE ] can you elaborate on what stats you used to come to this conclusion? [/ QUOTE ] I think we are entering Pete's Tin Foil Super-Secret World...... [/ QUOTE ] I have seen said stats. Pete tells the truth.
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#19
11-13-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: position in PLO is overrated
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] After doing a ton of analysis, I'm prepared to claim that whoever it was that said position in PLO is less important than in NLH was right after all. The main problem most people have with playing OOP is not knowing which hands to play or how to play them. [/ QUOTE ] Would you play 50,000 hands against an opponent of equal skill where your opponent got the button every single hand? [/ QUOTE ] stupid question. of course i wouldn't. [/ QUOTE ] would you play 50,000 hands of PLO and 50,000 hands of NL against an opponent of equal skill in each, where you had the button in NL and he had it in PLO? If so, how much (in terms of BB) would you pay for this opportunity? If not, how much would you need to be paid? [/ QUOTE ] I can't really say wrt heads-up play, since I think it has special properties and I haven't done the analysis. However, if I could play a 6-handed match in which we would play hold'em while I was on the button, in the cutoff, or cutoff+1, and play Omaha while I was utg or in the blinds, I would pay at least 1bb/100 for the opportunity and perhaps more.
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