Tancredo: Threaten to Bomb Muslim Holy Sites in Retaliation

[andyfox]

The coup in 1953 was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. The CIA destabilized the elected government by bribina officials, planting false reports in newspapers and provoking street violence. This ushered in the era of the Shah (who had been widely viewed as an incompetent coward by Americans close to the action), who, as you correctly point out, had his distatorship propped up by successive U.S. regimes. Islamic extremism fed off of the coup and the repressive-U.S. supported regime in a way it never would have had we not overthrown Mossadegh.

"Now it seems that the Americans [the current Bush admnistration] are pushing towards the same direction again," says Ibrahim Yazdi, who served briefly as foreign minister after the Shah fell. "That shows they have not learned anything from history."

It is interesting that the first use of the word "blowback" was in the CIA-written analysis of the coup against Mossadegh in Iran.

[JOHNY CA$H]

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So this guy wants to murder innocent people because he thinks it will help save innocent people...



Can someone please escort this guy to the Whitehouse..

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Nope. Dwight Eisenhower is much more responsible for modern day Iran than Jimmy Carter.

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The fundamentalist Shia movement wanted power. Specifically to overthrow ANY government and implement a theocracy. Their movement grew in power and the Shah angered them by implementing Western reforms and supressing these Islamo-fascist by whatever means necessary. Preceding US presidents supported the Shah helping him maintaining power. Carter withdrew support and even undermined the Shah's regime leading to the collapse of his dictatorship.

Your argument that Iran was a happy land of democracy and flowers until a CIA coup led by a circus strongman overthrew them is silly. The govt was on the brink of collapse otherwise the 3rd rate CIA coup would have failed more miserably than the Bay of Pigs. The current Iranian govt crushes Iranian reformers with torture and prison. Carters actions traded one dictatoship for a WORSE dictatorship....that sponsors world wide terrorism. The world would be a much better place if Iran was still controlled by the Shah....

And after Eisenhower we had Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford. All of these presidents had a brain and support the Shah. Carter, of couse, has no brain and he [censored] things up.

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Proof that to some, opinion will always hold more weight than facts.

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The coup in 1953 was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. The CIA destabilized the elected government by bribina officials, planting false reports in newspapers and provoking street violence. This ushered in the era of the Shah (who had been widely viewed as an incompetent coward by Americans close to the action), who, as you correctly point out, had his distatorship propped up by successive U.S. regimes. Islamic extremism fed off of the coup and the repressive-U.S. supported regime in a way it never would have had we not overthrown Mossadegh.


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The islamo-nazis would have overthrown a democratic Iran EASILY. It would have just been a question of time. The Shah was the dike that kept these morons from taking over and forcing their will upon others.

An acquaintence of my father was sent to Iran during the days of the Shah to observe the Iranian air force (some call this spying). One thing that startled him was the Iranians air force did not believe in preventive maintenance. Their attitude was it was God's will when the plane would break down and preventive maintenance would not help. I hope that other muslim airlines don't have the same attitude!

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The islamo-nazis would have overthrown a democratic Iran EASILY. It would have just been a question of time. The Shah was the dike that kept these morons from taking over and forcing their will upon others.


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What you're missing is that a major reason the "islamo-nazis" gained so much support is because the general populace did not agree with the Shah and believed his power to be illegitimate. If someone comes up and says he will overthrow this illegitimate power, people tend to lend support.

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I should follow up here and give some credit to other GOP Presidential candidates who repudiated Tancredo; I was a bit skeptical any GOP leaders/Tancredo's fellow candidates would bat an eye, but I was wrong. So kudos to these guys; I'm particularly appreciative of Huckabee's rather strong repudiation:

Tommy Thompson

“I sincerely believe that bombing religious artifacts and religious holy sites would do nothing but unify one billion Muslims against us. It makes no sense.”

Mike Huckabee

“Historically, we’ve tried to avoid doing what the Nazis did, and that’s bombing every kind of possible target. We’ve had this attitude (that) we don’t do these things. There are some things that are off limits.”

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Tommy Thompson

“I sincerely believe that bombing religious artifacts and religious holy sites would do nothing but unify one billion Muslims against us. It makes no sense.”


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He should tell it to Giuliani. According to Rudy policy has no consequences. One wonders why should have policy at all in that case. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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What you're missing is that a major reason the "islamo-nazis" gained so much support is because the general populace did not agree with the Shah and believed his power to be illegitimate. If someone comes up and says he will overthrow this illegitimate power, people tend to lend support.

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Oh? Fundalmentalist Islam is increasing its influence in every muslim county in the world. Even Turkey, whose secular, govt lost the last round of elections. And Iran would have been the lone muslim country in the world to have resisted that movement?

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Oh? Fundalmentalist Islam is increasing its influence in every muslim county in the world. Even Turkey, whose secular, govt lost the last round of elections. And Iran would have been the lone muslim country in the world to have resisted that movement?

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First of all, 'increasing influence' is very different from 'easily overthrowing' a democratic regime. Second, you made it sound like the fundamentalists would have taken over anyway a long, long time ago. Third, why do you think that fundamentalist Islam is getting support if it's not because of dissatisfaction with the current leadership of the country?

Also, my mom was born in Iran and my grandparents both lived through the Shah's regime until the revolution. Although much of my family had left already, the rest of my family left the country after Khomeini came back. So forgive me if I don't take your word for the state of affairs in Iran over the past 50 years.

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Mike Huckabee

“Historically, we’ve tried to avoid doing what the Nazis did, and that’s bombing every kind of possible target. We’ve had this attitude (that) we don’t do these things. There are some things that are off limits.”

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O Rly? Mike needs a history lesson from a non-American perspective.