AAARGGHH!!! - Playing 5th street with three low and a pair...

[Jackal69]

ok so this has been happening a lot recently and i find it a difficult spot, particularly when a lot of bets have gone in on 3rd with a premium low hand, after which you catch a pairing card and a brick. Continuing seems awkward as you may be crushed, however folding sometimes seems bad if theres a lot of money out there as you will likely have the equity you need to continue... Thoughts? There are a few examples below, apologies for being too lazy to convert and edit them on this occasion.


Table 'Alderamin II' 8-max
Seat 1: iuchamp ($261 in chips)
Seat 2: NEWYLUCK ($4048 in chips)
Seat 3: Jackal69 ($1903 in chips)
Seat 4: C_Jay_M ($3637.50 in chips)
Seat 5: defineluck ($1165 in chips)
Seat 6: BuklaH ($990.50 in chips)
Seat 7: art of ace ($1779 in chips)
iuchamp: posts the ante $5
NEWYLUCK: posts the ante $5
Jackal69: posts the ante $5
C_Jay_M: posts the ante $5
defineluck: posts the ante $5
BuklaH: posts the ante $5
art of ace: posts the ante $5
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to iuchamp [5c]
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [8d]
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 5s 6d]
Dealt to C_Jay_M [Ad]
Dealt to defineluck [5d]
Dealt to BuklaH [Jh]
Dealt to art of ace [5h]
iuchamp: brings in for $10
NEWYLUCK: folds
Jackal69: raises $20 to $30
C_Jay_M: folds
defineluck: folds
BuklaH: calls $30
art of ace: folds
iuchamp: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 5s 6d] [7d]
Dealt to BuklaH [Jh] [Ac]
BuklaH: checks
Jackal69: bets $30
BuklaH: calls $30
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 5s 6d 7d] [Kc]
Dealt to BuklaH [Jh Ac] [9h]
BuklaH: bets $60
Jackal69: ????



PokerStars Game #9214143444: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($30/$60) - 2007/04/02 - 11:40:39 (ET)
Table 'Tucana' 8-max
Seat 2: NEWYLUCK ($567 in chips)
Seat 3: Jackal69 ($1477 in chips)
Seat 4: blisterfish4 ($265 in chips)
Seat 5: erich_fromm ($480 in chips)
Seat 6: djk123 ($1553.25 in chips)
Seat 7: smily ($670 in chips)
NEWYLUCK: posts the ante $5
Jackal69: posts the ante $5
blisterfish4: posts the ante $5
erich_fromm: posts the ante $5
djk123: posts the ante $5
smily: posts the ante $5
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [7h]
Dealt to Jackal69 [2s 5s 2d]
Dealt to blisterfish4 [Js]
Dealt to erich_fromm [Qc]
Dealt to djk123 [7d]
Dealt to smily [8d]
Jackal69: brings in for $10
blisterfish4: folds
erich_fromm: folds
djk123: folds
smily: folds
NEWYLUCK: raises $20 to $30
Jackal69: calls $20
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [7h] [Ad]
Dealt to Jackal69 [2s 5s 2d] [7c]
NEWYLUCK: bets $30
Jackal69: calls $30
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [7h Ad] [Td]
Dealt to Jackal69 [2s 5s 2d 7c] [Kc]
NEWYLUCK: bets $60
?????


PokerStars Game #9213974550: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($30/$60) - 2007/04/02 - 11:23:44 (ET)
Table 'Alderamin II' 8-max
Seat 1: djk123 ($1419.50 in chips)
Seat 2: NEWYLUCK ($1044.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Jackal69 ($737 in chips)
Seat 4: xv15umiak ($1429 in chips)
Seat 7: smily ($353 in chips)
Seat 8: dandc0711 ($189 in chips)
djk123: posts the ante $5
NEWYLUCK: posts the ante $5
Jackal69: posts the ante $5
xv15umiak: posts the ante $5
smily: posts the ante $5
dandc0711: posts the ante $5
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to djk123 [3h]
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [Qd]
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 4c 5c]
Dealt to xv15umiak [Ad]
Dealt to smily [9c]
Dealt to dandc0711 [4d]
djk123: brings in for $10
NEWYLUCK: folds
Jackal69: raises $20 to $30
xv15umiak: raises $30 to $60
smily: folds
dandc0711: calls $60
djk123: folds
Jackal69: raises $30 to $90
xv15umiak: calls $30
dandc0711: calls $30
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 4c 5c] [5h]
Dealt to xv15umiak [Ad] [2s]
Dealt to dandc0711 [4d] [Th]
Jackal69: bets $30
xv15umiak: calls $30
dandc0711: calls $30
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Jackal69 [7c 4c 5c 5h] [Ks]
Dealt to xv15umiak [Ad 2s] [Js]
Dealt to dandc0711 [4d Th] [3c]
Jackal69: checks
xv15umiak: bets $60
dandc0711: calls $60
Jackal69: ????


PokerStars Game #9214564710: 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($30/$60) - 2007/04/02 - 12:20:47 (ET)
Table 'Tucana' 8-max
Seat 2: NEWYLUCK ($315.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Jackal69 ($1650 in chips)
Seat 4: Schloskie ($440 in chips)
Seat 5: hatjr ($1333 in chips)
Seat 6: HipPocket ($1156 in chips)
Seat 7: erich_fromm ($1150 in chips)
Seat 8: earljason ($1115 in chips)
NEWYLUCK: posts the ante $5
Jackal69: posts the ante $5
Schloskie: posts the ante $5
hatjr: posts the ante $5
HipPocket: posts the ante $5
erich_fromm: posts the ante $5
earljason: posts the ante $5
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [6c]
Dealt to Jackal69 [5d Ah 2d]
Dealt to Schloskie [8h]
Dealt to hatjr [9s]
Dealt to HipPocket [3c]
Dealt to erich_fromm [Jh]
Dealt to earljason [Qd]
Jackal69: brings in for $10
Schloskie: calls $10
hatjr: folds
HipPocket: folds
erich_fromm: folds
earljason: folds
NEWYLUCK: raises $20 to $30
Jackal69: raises $30 to $60
Schloskie: calls $50
NEWYLUCK: raises $30 to $90
Jackal69: raises $30 to $120
Betting is capped
Schloskie: calls $60
NEWYLUCK: calls $30
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [6c] [7c]
Dealt to Jackal69 [5d Ah 2d] [Jd]
Dealt to Schloskie [8h] [4s]
Jackal69: checks
Schloskie: checks
NEWYLUCK: bets $30
Jackal69: calls $30
Schloskie: calls $30
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to NEWYLUCK [6c 7c] [9d]
Dealt to Jackal69 [5d Ah 2d Jd] [2s]
Dealt to Schloskie [8h 4s] [Kh]
Jackal69: checks
Schloskie: checks
NEWYLUCK: bets $60
Jackal69: ????

[Micturition Man]

Hand 1 is an easy call imo, the guy probably has a flush draw with no pair.

Hand 2 would be an easy fold from someone who had raised in a less than perfect steal position. As is I still think it's a fold though as his leading 4th really ought to mean he has something, so you're too weak versus his distribution to continue.

Hand 3 is definitely a peel due to pot odds and your bdoor and 2 pair potential.

Hand 4 is rough but with the pot so huge (getting like 9.5:1 I believe) and more importantly a third man who is too dumb to jam... I think you have to peel.

But that last one is truly a peel - you either need to improve or you need both opponents to brick to call again on 6th.

Just my opinion.

[HOWMANY]

call, fold, I fold but it's close, fold. I didn't really pay attention to pot size I just assumed it was decent sized.

[djk123]

fold, call, call, fold.

In hand 1 i think he has a bigger pair a lot of the time. I would never ever fold hand 2 vs newy.

[Jackal69]

if youre going to reply pls provide analysis with your actions, unless your name is Ray Zee in which case you get a pass [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Andy B]

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