M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread

[GiantBuddha]

So I guess MTTR got paid off by the illuminati? The real secret is to always buy in for 23BB and always open raise 5BB. They'll try to have me killed for divulging this.

[SimaoMacaco]

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So I guess MTTR got paid off by the illuminati? The real secret is to always buy in for 23BB and always open raise 5BB. They'll try to have me killed for divulging this.

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[RikaKazak]

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diebitter
iponnet
eseehcehtlla
soah
hklm8383
orhtnax
rikakazak
theprodigy
sabr42
too easy
acecr9
calleddownlight
kurtsf
eihcuorg
ryancmu
splitsuit
demon102
illini43
effen

*had to cheat a little, bastards here don't have enough names beginning with e

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LOL

[MyTurn2Raise]

LESSON 5: A 2-Street Game Can Be Powerful

Alright, I posted earlier on not playing the 2-street game. For the most part, that is right. However, my datamining and the math have shown me that sometimes a 2-street game can bring down havoc upon your enemies. For this, I'd like to look at an example from the book Kill Everyone. On p. 99, they start a section "Big Pushes on the Flop." Picture this, pot is 1800 on the flop and it's heads-up. The first to act is the small blind with 5400. The small blind pushes allin on As7h2c flop. What should the other player call with? If the latter player has a range of 22+, A2s+, A5+, K9+, QT+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s+, it's positive ev for the small stack to push any two cards if the later player needs AT+ to call. Of course, that is an extreme scenario involving any two cards verse a pretty wide range that doesn't call light. The key here is that this same concept can be used to exploit certain players. Some players just nit up post flop. How hard is it to push two to three times the pot all-in on the flop when one catches any part of it (one-pair, OESD, flush draw, even an over card and inside straight draw) and put the pressure on light callers?
Don't pull this move too often, but it's awful nice to mix in the bag of tricks. It works real well when you'll pull the same move with AA preflop.


But, this gets at another point--know the equities of certain ranges on different types of flops. Trust me, some players will take shots at the shortstacker who clams up postflop. OTOH, some fullies clam up as well and are highly exploitable. If you see someone who folds to a flop bet 70%+ of the time, you know they have high standards for moving on in the hand. Of course, guys do goofy things when shorties get involved, so pay attention to see if they buck their normal playing style.

There are a myriad of examples that one can go through year. One cannot go through all of them. However, just study a few to get something of a feel for the equities.

This kind of ties back into the Vanveen quote in the first lesson [ QUOTE ]
If we're really ambitious we can analyse flops and maybe just call sometimes. Tedious, but fairly easy.

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[MyTurn2Raise]

This is about as far as I've gotten in over-arching shortstacking theory and execution---This seems to be all it boils down to above what is commmonly known

notice that none of this stuff is that revolutionary
it's just a matter of piecing together everything we know from different types of poker and seeing how it applies in these unique circumstances

I might remember a lesson or two, but I expect this thread to get more to specifics from my end

I hope others share over-arching themes that they come across

for fun, The Hit and Run thread is what started me on shortstacking

I believe Stars 25-50 shortstackers started Imsakidd and Curtains

How to play dirrtySanchez shows how important blind stealing is even for tighter players

[demon102]

[ QUOTE ]
diebitter
iponnet
eseehcehtlla
soah
hklm8383
orhtnax
rikakazak
theprodigy
sabr42
too easy
acecr9
calleddownlight
kurtsf
eihcuorg
ryancmu
splitsuit
demon102
illini43
effen

*had to cheat a little, bastards here don't have enough names beginning with e

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LOL bottomset, I guess Im one of the cats u cheated with I maybe short stacked like <10 times this whole year

[Mike Kelley]

So what is this thread?

Are you offering to answer questions about shortstacking?

Or is this a terrorist threat to destroy the game of poker?

[phydaux]

I still say we should create a sort of "MIT Poker Team" and bring the poker web sites to their knees.

[Grinding2Ecstasy]

DIE SHORTSTACKERS DIE.

That said, it's not like it can't be countered by a thinking human being who takes notes, datamines, and can estimate shortstacker ranges.

[diebitter]

Final warning: any more 'die shortstackers die' will result in suspensions.


Reason for this thread: I got tired of M2TR derailing the thread about how different stack sizes should affect the way you play with his 'supersecret shortstacking stuff' musings. He can do it in here if he wants.


PS. Yes, I do SS sometimes, but only as a change of pace now and again, and more importantly to make sure I keep the mind of a shortstacker available in my repertoire. Helps to spot good and bad ones, and take their moneys accordingly, mkay?