$1/$2 PLO8 turn semi-bluff decision

davebreal · #1 05-09-2006, 06:55 PM

reasonable spot for a semi-bluff? and what do you do when it gets re-potted back?

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($174)
davebreal ($198)
MP2 ($61)
CO ($541.55)
Button ($152.30)
SB ($206.55)
BB ($125)

Preflop: davebreal is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, davebreal raises to $4.15, 1 fold, CO calls $4.15, Button calls $4.15, SB calls $3.15, BB calls $2.15.

Flop: ($20.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, davebreal checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($20.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, davebreal bets $19.75, CO calls $19.75, Button calls $19.75, SB raises to $118.5, BB folds, davebreal ???

januarymute · #2 05-09-2006, 06:58 PM

You should spend some time with this hand at 2dimes. You will see that you cannot fold.

DiceMimer · #3 05-09-2006, 08:02 PM

I agree that you cannot fold here with such good draws. I think the question is whether to call the turn raise, or move in; this may determine whether the CO and/or Button calls.

It might not make a huge difference, however I think you are better reraising all-in on the turn. You may well have an edge over the CO / Button (e.g. if they have A2 and not much else), but this is probably less than what you get in dead money if you can get them to fold.

Also, by getting all-in on the turn, you avoid any awkward calls on the river. E.g. Maybe you just call on the turn then a deuce comes on the river, so you wonder whether maybe he has TTJQ or something and your weak low is good...

mrroyboy · #4 05-09-2006, 08:15 PM

Dave
You have to get all-in here. You have too many outs not to. I think all in on the turn is best. I agree with dicemimer on that

davebreal · #5 05-09-2006, 09:26 PM

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Maybe you just call on the turn then a deuce comes on the river, so you wonder whether maybe he has TTJQ or something and your weak low is good...

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forgot already? an Ace hit the river

Nice hand sir

januarymute · #6 05-09-2006, 09:38 PM

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Also, by getting all-in on the turn, you avoid any awkward calls on the river. E.g. Maybe you just call on the turn then a deuce comes on the river, so you wonder whether maybe he has TTJQ or something and your weak low is good...

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I would definitely just call. Your equity won't be reduced too much by additional callers (even those who split your nld), and you save yourself the opportunity to fold on the many bad rivers like board pair or Q's/K's. You can decide whether to look the guy up with a ragged low based on context and other clues--if you're worried about folding incorrectly on the riv then just commit to calling on any made low (assuming HU), problem solved.

davebreal · #7 05-09-2006, 11:26 PM

I actually re-raised all-in to put pressure on the other A2's (which did fold).

My low got counterfitted when then Ace hit the river... but I won the low pot anyways.

MarkD · #8 05-10-2006, 02:49 AM

Is the flop check standard here?

davebreal · #9 05-10-2006, 03:05 AM

I flopped absolutely nothing... flop bet would depend on the behavior of the table. If I thought I could win the pot right there, I would have gone for it.

In this case, I opted for the free card, instead investing money for nothing.

januarymute · #10 05-10-2006, 03:08 AM

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I actually re-raised all-in to put pressure on the other A2's (which did fold).

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You are speculating here. They may have shared A2, or they may have had str wraps, etc. Your low may have held up even if the other players came along, and you were fortunate to dodge the cards that definitely give you no share of the pot... the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that raising on the turn is wrong.