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Old 11-06-2007, 03:38 AM
Burcak Burcak is offline
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

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I think this is a fold, runitrim isnt dumb he's not vbetting worse.

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I totally disagree with this line of thinking. If he is good, that doesn't mean he has it every time. On the contrary, if this leads you to believe he has it, then the better he is, the less likely he has it imo.

I think he could very well have you beat here, but I also think most hands that beat you (including full houses) could just call alot. I don't think I'd fold it, but if you have a read and folded accordingly, well props to you.
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:47 AM
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I really disagree with a lot of you guys. Is he really shoving a full house here? To move us off of what? I don't know the player, I can't stand stars software, but I still say this is a call. I tend to have a bit wilder image and I don't think about these spots so much, but your playing 24/19. Raising 19% of your hands is quite a bit really as far as your image is concerned and I think the point of playing this style is so that when you do have a big hand, like a flush, you don't have to worry about if your right or wrong, just stick it in. I think It will make up for it when your wrong with the smaller pots u win and this still really doesn't look like he wants a call to me. But like I said I dont know the player. gl
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

im calling this all day.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:02 AM
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If I were villain, I'd see your line as extreme weakness if I hadn't see you do it before. I'd be extremely inclined to shove alot of semi-bluffs on the turn. I would be more inclined to call with good showdown hands and would mix up my play with monsters.

Because of that I'd snap call with 78s in your spot since there's too much of an overlay if he's semi-bluff shoving a moderate range. But I don't play on FT and have no idea how tricky/aggro villain is.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:33 AM
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really dislike the flop c/c. c/r folds are so many better hands. I'm not folding here although I can see why you did and I don't hate it at all w/ ur reads.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

Villain PM'ed me, he had the A high flush. I think if I'd bet larger on the turn I'd be more ok with the fold. THing is I wanted value and thought he might fold a lot more hands to a larger bet. I guess that after I c/c and lead turn the only hands I'm having are maybe a decent queen and a flush, with a flush being the most likely since the flop was multiway.
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:38 AM
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

you really need a good read to bet/fold like this.

i mean cmon look at your turn bet size
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

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you really need a good read to bet/fold like this.

i mean cmon look at your turn bet size

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Yeah I kind of agree. I would have a hard time bet folding when it really looks like you are trying to bet fold.
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Old 11-06-2007, 05:32 AM
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i wouldn't draw to it if you think the guy won't pay you with worse when you hit.

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kachinggg

were you hoping to just hobble to showdown when you hit your gin card?
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Ugh, tough fold but I think it\'s right. Thoughts?

Overbet is a draw IMO. Maybe TP w/ Nut flush draw. Easy call.
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