Folding Queens preflop???

[skiier04]

4.5BB shover just got 3 outered in a monster pot so is clearly tilted, SB is a solid aggressive player who is neither excessivly loose nor tight preflop.

This is a pretty insane overbet but he will have to go to showdown against the shorty so I will be seeing his hand either way.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $248.55
BB: $155.25
UTG: $4.50
CO: $191.50
Hero (BTN): $161.05

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $4.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $248.55</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $233.55 returned to SB

Flop: ($35.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($35.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($35.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $35.50 ($1.75 Rake)

[Bantam222]

fold...160BB deap makes it easier

[hightiger]

You can not call this. AI's preflop in cash games have a way of turning up as aces, or at least kings. His play is weird, but you can't get carried away.

[hightiger]

Results?

[skiier04]

I will post results when I wake up tomorrow... I folded this pretty quickly but sitll think it was one of my toughest spots of the night and warrants discussion.


One of the reasons that made me think is he is smart enough to realize I could be isolating the shortstack with a very wide range... maybe something like A2+ K9+ and 66+, but still, a bet that large I just didn't think it was worth it with queens, even with JJ in his hand range I still can't call.

[Vinetou]

In cash game, isolating that small shortstack has not so much value, I believe. Why are you doing it with such a big range?

[Ringmaster]

I guess no one uses Poker Stove anymore... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

54,793,728 games 0.015 secs 3,652,915,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.098% 48.39% 01.70% 26516414 934028.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 49.902% 48.20% 01.70% 26409258 934028.00 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KK-JJ, AKs, AKo }


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IMO his range could be wider than this. Add TT and it becomes a clear call.

[martijn]

is this the kind of player that knows you could be isolating the guy who shoved for 4.5bb?
or is he a abc tag who just plays his cards, I think this is a pretty big difference in your judgement.