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11-15-2007, 01:02 AM
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My guess is that OB-Wan222 is a sports bettor. Possibly a blackjack player but probably a sports bettor. He sure seems intent on pulling poker into the same category as sports betting and online casinos. Go carry your own water sir, we are fighting for poker here. There is no argument you can make that will convince most of us that we stand just as good a chance of obtaining our goals by pushing for our "right" to gamble online. Tuff [/ QUOTE ] Agree, he's just some sports bettor who wants us to carry his water. The last one who did this went after Skallagrim as well. 
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#42
11-15-2007, 01:25 AM
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Re: CNN Article putting Poker in a more positive light, highlighting s
I have never placed a poster on ignore before, but OB is about to be the first.
Where have we who have actually worked to further the poker cause, unlike you, ever said amongst ourselves - "oh no, dont say anything about freedoms, or taxes or privacy, lets only talk about skill"? You sir, have no clue. If you think pointing out THE FACT that you are/were a 3-post newcomer is a personal attack, you sir, have no clue. You so obviously have no knowledge of what has been happening here, and no willingness to learn, that what you say we believe is also worthless. I have no problem with online gambling so long as it fits MY definition? Anyone who is familiar with my posts knows full well that has NEVER been my position. But why should facts interfere with precisely what it is now obvious you are here to do - get us poker players to piggyback your sportsbetting or slots/casino games play onto our success. No poker player posting here has ever argued for other forms of gaming/gambling to be illegal. No bill supported by the PPA or the regular posters here says other forms of gambling SHOULD be illegal. All we have done is recognize the political reality that it is far easier to convince the average person and their legislators that online poker should be legal than it is to convince them that EVERY form of online gambling should be legal. That you refuse to accept that obvious fact shows your true colors and renders even your "opinions" worthless. That you decry dissension among the people actually doing the work to establish expressly legal poker and yet seek to create it in every post is further evidence of what you really are. And finally, that you have absolutely no clue as to the actual current legal status of online poker (as shown by your complete faith in DOJ opinons) means you really have nothing meaningful to add to this discussion. Skallagrim
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#43
11-15-2007, 01:56 AM
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Re: CNN Article putting Poker in a more positive light, highlighting s
Skallagrim "You are now ignoring this user. You will no longer see the body of any of their posts." [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
Yippee Kai-ayyye. I'm perfectly comfortable leaving the members of this forum to draw their own conclusions. BTW I am not a sport bettor or a blackjack bettor so your losing streak is intact.
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#44
11-15-2007, 02:24 AM
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Oh, BTW I asked this before and didn't get an answer.
Can you tell me the name of ONE online gaming opponent that makes a difference between poker and slots? And I'm not asking for some yahoo that has signed onto a bill. I want a quote from ONE anti-online-gaming politician that draws a distinction between a game of skill and a game of chance. Can you find one? - I'll be surprised if you do. If what's his name isn't forthcoming I'd invite anyone to respond with a vaid quote.
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#46
11-15-2007, 03:22 AM
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Re: CNN Article putting Poker in a more positive light, highlighting s
Congressman Pete Sessions from TX might just fit that bill. He is a perenial 90+ on the Christian Coalition and other religous groups scorecards. After meeting with "average joe" PPA member consituents as well as poker pros Clonie Gowen and Robert Williamson III (from the Dallas area) he was conviced by the skill arguements and signed on to Rep. Wexler's Skill Game Protection Act.
John A. Pappas Executive Director PPA
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#48
11-15-2007, 03:33 AM
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[ QUOTE ] My guess is that OB-Wan222 is a sports bettor. Possibly a blackjack player but probably a sports bettor. He sure seems intent on pulling poker into the same category as sports betting and online casinos. Go carry your own water sir, we are fighting for poker here. There is no argument you can make that will convince most of us that we stand just as good a chance of obtaining our goals by pushing for our "right" to gamble online. Tuff [/ QUOTE ] Agree, he's just some sports bettor who wants us to carry his water. The last one who did this went after Skallagrim as well. [/ QUOTE ] If indeed this is the same poster as he claims he is of the same or similar name from Full Tilts forum, I can say he is a regular there and from memory only, I know of a number of poker related threads he has been involved in there. I do not have any personal knowledge nor kinship or friendship with the poster. I can state that there is an OB-Wan222 who has posted 243 posts there and has been a member of that forum since June 30th 2007. FT is a pretty open forum and anyone with (or without I think) an account there can check out his post and full posting history. One of his recent posts there on the MA subject did imeadeatly go towards the sports betting aspects of that law. However in fairness, my understanding is that proposed legislation, would make illegal any bet or wager concucted outside of a lisenced casino. Other than these I make no representations beyond any public facts readilable accesable by almost anyone. I am concerned about the "regular welcome" almost any new poster recieves who doesn't "toe the party line." While in many ways the resiliance needed to be a "regular" or even "valued" member by one proving ones self over time does indeed have great value. I am concerned that while we easily make short work of simple minds we might as a group intimidate some portion of potential "resources" for the overall on-line poker cause. So sink or swim seems fine in most of life's endavors, in this cause we might not need any dedicated sports bettors, we do need all the true poker players we can attract. So OB-Wan222, as a poker player welcome, you have to "prove yourself". As a possible sports bettor, you face an uphill challenge to your arguments not only here, but in the reality a number of us feel sports bettors face in the US both legally and politically. D$D
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#49
11-15-2007, 05:46 AM
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Re: CNN Article putting Poker in a more positive light, highlighting s
Why the damn schism? Im a poker player because Im poor. Sports betting is as American, more skill-based, and better paying if youre capitalized in the medium 6 figures(and Pinnacle comes backto America). despite all this work, poker's best hope is still having its water carried by sports-betting. Its bigger by volume than poker, maybe not mass participation online. More sports bettors would be willing AND able to donate and act politically as they tend to be older and wealthier. This vitriol their way is baffling. We need every voting and donation person we can get, and donating more than voting. Its harder to reach them as I thin kthe books are loathe to part with email lists and serious punters a bit more leery of the gov't.
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#50
11-15-2007, 06:08 AM
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[ QUOTE ] No seriously what's the FOF? [/ QUOTE ] FoF or Family Research Council http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?c=ABOUT_FRC, I think FoF stands for Focus on Families. After today's exchange perhaps "Fear of Fun" or "Fear on-line Fun" is parhaps more appropiate. D$D [/ QUOTE ] FoF == "Fear of Fun" [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Very nice! For once I appreciate your contribution D$D. Note that it was contained in a very terse post as well.
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