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10-17-2007, 01:12 PM
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Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. 
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10-17-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
Very moving and compelling video..."UglyOwl" also has a very good "human interest" story oo how "internet" poker helped in his fight for life with cancer..Both of these may be useful during the "Fly-in"..
Do not like the subject title tho..If I did not look at "poster" I would not even have opened the thread...
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10-18-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law?
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10-18-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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[ QUOTE ] I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law? [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite the Indiana law that treats online poker businesses as illegal?
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10-18-2007, 03:27 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law? [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite the Indiana law that treats online poker businesses as illegal? [/ QUOTE ] Public Law 227-2007 I don't know of a single operator claiming to have an IN license. D$D
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#7
10-18-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
Indiana is one of the really bad states: Defines gambling as a game that is even "part" chance (so almost no games are allowed to be played for money there), makes the player a criminal, and has an express provision governing the internet.
There is an argument, under the dormant commerce clause doctrine, that the provisions of Indiana law relating to the internet are unconstitutional. In Indiana's case this is a weak argument because they do not allow anyone to offer internet games (other than pari-mutual horse racing). The argument is much stronger (a winner IMHO) in states like Nevada that do have provisions for in-state internet gaming sites (even though they have never licensed one), and only disallow out of state sites. Congress, however, by virtue of that same commerce clause, can provide that internet poker is protected interstate commerce and there would be nothing Indiana could do about that. We can hope. Skallagrim Edit: IN does have a "bone fide contests of skill" exemption. So a poker tournament that is other wise a"Contest of skill" can be argued to be legal.
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#8
10-18-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law? [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite the Indiana law that treats online poker businesses as illegal? [/ QUOTE ] My point is that either Indiana allows online poker businesses, or they don't. Either way, why bother Congress? But since you brought up asking for cites, if there are rules and regs are that allow online poker businesses, please show me. I found the ones for licensing charitable gaming, riverboat casinos, racing concerns, etc. But nothing for online poker sites. Anyone?
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10-18-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law? [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite the Indiana law that treats online poker businesses as illegal? [/ QUOTE ] My point is that either Indiana allows online poker businesses, or they don't. Either way, why bother Congress? But since you brought up asking for cites, if there are rules and regs are that allow online poker businesses, please show me. I found the ones for licensing charitable gaming, riverboat casinos, racing concerns, etc. But nothing for online poker sites. Anyone? [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't worry about the local laws the way you suggest anyone from IN not worry about Federal laws. Unless you get past IN's gaming commission you don't have a thing to say to any local agency. D$D
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10-18-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: Who does the UIGEA really hurt?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wanted to share with the forum a You Tube post from a PPA Member who resides in Indiana. He is unable to attend the Washington "Fly-In" but was compelled to tell his poker story. As you will see, it is passionate, sincere and quite honestly, very moving. Unfortunately, Congress has overlooked people with special circumstances in its rush to block Internet access to content they deem to be objectionable. Consenting adults who wish to engage in a game of skill on the Internet have every right to do so, and with our combined efforts (the PPA and its members) Congress with act soon to remedy the UIGEA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdUIGCkf66k Please note, that the PPA has contacted Chris Young and received his approval to disseminate. [/ QUOTE ] If Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as lawful for resident adults, then why does anyone think Congress or UIGEA is trying to "block" that commerce, especially when Congress/UIGEA admitted it was fine? If instead, Indiana uses its well understood powers to treat online poker businesses as illegal, then why does anyone think Congress is the place to change Indiana law? [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite the Indiana law that treats online poker businesses as illegal? [/ QUOTE ] My point is that either Indiana allows online poker businesses, or they don't. Either way, why bother Congress? But since you brought up asking for cites, if there are rules and regs are that allow online poker businesses, please show me. I found the ones for licensing charitable gaming, riverboat casinos, racing concerns, etc. But nothing for online poker sites. Anyone? [/ QUOTE ] You are correct concerning Indiana. They do have a law addressing Internet gaming. To your other point, it not up to states to "allow" anything. It's either illegal or it's permitted. In other words, it's up to them to pass laws against this, not for us to pass laws to permitting it (unless there is already a law against it, in which case it's up to us to change existing law). We're "bothering" Congress to petition for interstate Internet poker rights. Interstate commerce is controlled at the federal level. While we believe the Wire Act doesn't apply to poker, the DoJ doesn't see it that way. We'll likely need some clarification, either legislatively or judicially, before U.S.-based sites will offer interstate poker (I write "likely" because some state could conceivably test this by licensing a site to offer interstate gaming). The bottom line is that there are federal laws and agencies blocking our path, and we're asking for relief. The Wexler bill does that perfectly.
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