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Old 11-28-2007, 09:50 AM
thoman8r thoman8r is offline
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Default NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

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UTG ($80.30)
Button ($46.30)
SB ($60.55)
Hero ($51)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???? </font>

Button is 23/12/1.5 and seems solid.
UTG is 36/14/0.84 and a donk.

What are we doing here?
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

2 options:
folding
calling for set value
4betting AI will only be called by worse hands
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:53 AM
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Default Re: NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

You can't call for set value profitably in the long run, and if you push his range has you crushed.

Readless, I fold here. You have an UTG raise and then a RR from a tight player.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:16 AM
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You can't call for set value profitably in the long run, and if you push his range has you crushed.

Readless, I fold here. You have an UTG raise and then a RR from a tight player.

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UTG=CO

I probably call and play some poker. Nothing wrong with folding though. I don't like 4-betting as it would basically turn your hand into a bluff.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

I'd call, and re-evaluate on a non AK board
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

I agree 4-betting is out of the question. I should also add this is the first time I've seen the player on the button 3-bet PF, although it has been a small sample. IRL I folded, which I hated but it didn't really seem like there were any good options.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: NL50 JJ Sanity check pre-flop

Ok, let's say theoretically we call. UTG also calls The flop comes out

9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Do we b/f? c/c?
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:45 AM
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I think folding is your best option here. You are OOP and are crushed by his 3bet range.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:26 AM
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I've learned that im more than happy to let this go pre flop. A 23/12 is not iso 3betting, he's got a hand that is good, and now post flop oop you'll have problems with most flops (like your example).
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:17 AM
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Ok, let's say theoretically we call. UTG also calls The flop comes out

9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Do we b/f? c/c?

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If you decide to call and it gets hu to this flop I just check and shove over his $10 bet. I would never ever lead.
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