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Old 11-27-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default whats better to call or shove this flop

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $84.50
SB: $110.70
Hero (BB): $100
UTG: $88.90
MP: $129.85
CO: $212

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, CO folds, BTN calls $4, SB calls $3.50, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($20) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $11</font>, MP calls $11, BTN calls $11, SB calls $11, HERO? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

Dead monies, big draw = shove imo
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

Shove alllllll dayyy
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

is shove really best? i think i want to keep all the smaller draws in.

you could even make an argument for min raising here hoping to get a few dead calls and someone to push all in.

theres 63 dead in the pot. you have 96 behind. you push that makes 162 pot and 96 to call. not even laying someone 2:1, or rather if called by 2pr/set, you need to be good 33% to break even.

i think theres more EV in just calling. Your not going to take this pot down non contested all too often, and when called. If you think someone will call 96 with KQ,JK,TJ,9J then now pushing would have a bit more EV (maybe?)

iam really guessing i haven't done any math.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:59 PM
Benzooor Benzooor is offline
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

The point is we have a good amount of FE coupled with lots of dead money in the pot and a very strong draw with many outs to the nuts.

We'd love to take down this pot without having to hit our draw, and if we're going to commit our stack to it (which we should), it's best to do it when we have fold equity and an opportunity to see both remaining cards if called.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:00 PM
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I actually kinda, really like call
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:01 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

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you could even make an argument for min raising here hoping to get a few dead calls and someone to push all in.


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This is horrible advice. Shove this flop all day long and be happy about it.

Imo - Shove&gt;Call&gt;Fold&gt;Min-Raising
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:14 PM
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I actually kinda, really like call

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Old 11-27-2007, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: whats better to call or shove this flop

i think i shove as well with the dead money, we might not get a ton of action if we call and hit anyway
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