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Old 11-02-2007, 04:13 PM
iheartponeez iheartponeez is offline
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Default Is there value in this river?

Villain is 47.6/5

$0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$14.60</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$13.35</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$9.85</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$10.35</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$11.05</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$10.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.1, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#777777">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.4

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.15, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.8</font>, UTG calls $0.8

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $0.3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $3.2</font>, UTG calls $2.9

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9.15, 2 players)
UTG checks

It's a bad river. On a blank I bet this out, but do you think there's value here? Especially after he calls the turn raise, and suddenly draws and 2-pairs come in, the fact that I raised the turn makes me think it more likely that he'd check to me with a made hand.

Did I miss a spot to stack him though?
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: Is there value in this river?

tons of value here against a 50 vpip player
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: Is there value in this river?

i doubt your behind much that he would hold here, maybe KT and J9. he calls you with tons of other stuff here.
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: Is there value in this river?

First of all, I like your play pre-flop, and on the flop and turn. Well done.

On the river, you need to take this n00b to valuetown... look at the action so far, he could be calling you down with a wide range of weak holdings. That's why I'm surprised by your comment that it was a bad river, what do you think he has, A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? Not bloody likely, since you have two aces and he would've bet such a good draw. Also, even if he had top pair on the flop, he probably won't believe the king helped you.

Now we just have to size the value bet. His tiny donkbet on the turn (for 10% of the pot!!) makes very little sense from the point of view of proper play, and constitutes very mild but senseless aggression, but does suggest that he might like to see a showdown. Considering his call of a pot-sized bet on the turn, and the fact that he is the big stack at your table (probably through some really lucky hand), it's time to relieve him of some of his winnings. Based on the size of the pot (almost twice your remaining stack), it's time to move in, and hope he calls. Note that even a good player would feel obligated to call in this spot, getting 3-to-1 on his money, with anything but the most hopeless of hands. Of course, most good players would've played the turn much differently.
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:27 PM
z28dreams z28dreams is offline
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Default Re: Is there value in this river?

I dunno... I'm not worried about AJ, I'd be most worried about KT.

This actually feels a lot more like a flush draw to me.

Look at his line:

limp call preflop
check/call flop
bet tiny on turn, call a raise
check river

I'd only bet here if you think a hand like T9 or 76 are going to call you, which I don't think they will.
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