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Old 08-19-2007, 09:07 AM
tozzy tozzy is offline
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Default AK in a family pot facing heat

Allright, im not so sure about the cbet but i felt the flop was way too drawy not to:

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $585.00
BB: $1,037.35
Hero (UTG): $1,279.90
MP: $661.82
CO: $606.00
BTN: $481.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $21.00</font>, MP calls $21.00, CO calls $21.00, BTN calls $21.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($93) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $80.00</font>, MP calls $80.00, 2 folds

Turn: ($253) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $180.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $560.82</font>, Hero ???

Villain is tantalus333 who I have running as 28/19/2.5 over as little as 200 hands.
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:50 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

1.77:1 pot odds

I think you are about a 2:1 dog vs a range like { 33, AsTs, KQs, KTs, JTs, 9s8s, 8s7s, KQo } assuming villain would have reraised preflop JJ-AA and AK/AQs/AJs instead of calling.

So, it's a close fold vs this range. If he is capable of float/stealing with air a decent amount of time, then call. It's actually pretty close to neutral EV either way depending on how you adjust his hand range.

It's really not a clear and easy fold unless you narrow him down to 2-pair or better as the majority of his likely hands here. But, I don't think you can narrow him down that easily.
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:55 PM
Borned_Luckbox1 Borned_Luckbox1 is offline
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

I check turn.
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Old 08-19-2007, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

I don't understand the turn bet here . . .
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

eh i call i thinkkkk.
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

Think I call.
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Old 08-19-2007, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

Looks like a combo. draw picked up on the turn like JTs or something like that. Great raise by him n o matter what he has.

I also check this turn for pot control.

As played, I think I muck it. But, depends on what you have seen villain do in the past.
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:03 PM
kevdawg21 kevdawg21 is offline
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

It appears that i'm in the minority here, but i'd let this go. We've raised PF UTG, followed a big flop with a near psb into three players, got called and led the turn with a 3/4 pot bet. Our hand should look pretty freakin strong right now. Are we really thinking his plan is to push us off the winner when we could easily have KK/QQ and we're going to be getting huge odds to call?
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Old 08-19-2007, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

check the turn
fold as played I think
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Old 08-20-2007, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: AK in a family pot facing heat

hate the turn bet, as played i think it is really close, and if i have ANY indication that villain has high aggression on turn, then i call. Sets and Top two dont really make sense here at all.
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