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Old 12-22-2006, 04:23 PM
hedgetop hedgetop is offline
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Default Too weak with flopped FH?

Villain is 22/13/1.2, kind of an overly tightish tag over ~150 hands

My concern was two-fold:

1. My hand is very transparent, what could I possibly have here? Overplayed Ace high flush or JJ
2. Villain's range imo is limited to either the flush or pocket fours. However this line seems over-aggresive for a flush, given the action I believe the Villain would realize his flush is insufficient (esp with my transparent hand).

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (12.67SB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO folds, BB calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9.83BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (17.83BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 19.83BB
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Old 12-22-2006, 04:33 PM
Victor Victor is offline
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

raise and cap.
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Old 12-22-2006, 04:44 PM
Buffsta8 Buffsta8 is offline
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

In situations like this players often don't objectively think the situation through. They look almost entirely at the strength of their own hand and get caught up in the moment and overplay flushes and even a 4. Many players would run a complete slowplay with 44 here. Raise the river bet and if he 3 bets like victor i'd cap. If he could put in the 5th bet I may call the 3 bet but probably not.
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Old 12-22-2006, 05:33 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

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Too weak with flopped FH?

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Yes. I am putting in another raise for sure. If this guy 3 bets the river I think calling or capping is pretty close. Most people wouldn't play flopped quads so fast ..so just another piece of evidence to suggest the nut flush as his holding.
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:14 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

Yes, raise the river. If he 3bets, cap or call is close enough you should just follow our gut/read.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:27 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

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raise and cap.

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Agreed. You can't slow down yet, and with a four bet cap I'd have no problem maxing this one out.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:36 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

I think it's a raise/call. There are really only two (maybe three) combos of nut flush hands that this guy can have - AKs, AQs, and ATs, and AKs may cap preflop. So when you raise, I don't see how you could possibly have anything less than the nut flush. So when he has the nut flush, you obviously can't have it, so you must have JJ. I think you win maybe 35% of the time when he 3-bets a river raise, maybe less.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

wtf

you have top boat
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with flopped FH?

raise/call river.
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