drawing hand

Man of Means · #1 07-20-2007, 10:36 AM

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the SB.
This is quite a passive (and loose) 4/8 table. Other than myself, the only preflop raises have been AA/KK.

Preflop:
7 players and one person folds. Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop (6 SB)
10[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, 3 calls, Hero raises
UTG 3-bets, 3 folds (!), Hero calls

Turn (headsup, 7 BB)
2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero check/calls

River (9 BB)
A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero check/calls

Aces McGee · #2 07-20-2007, 10:48 AM

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by check-raising the flop.

-McGee

KitCloudkicker · #3 07-20-2007, 10:49 AM

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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by check-raising the flop.

-McGee

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ACG2x · #4 07-20-2007, 11:15 AM

c/r'ing this flop is pointless. You are putting in two bets and potentially more which actually happened since UTG 3-bet with A high, a gutshot and backdoor FD.

As played, the c/c on the turn and river are pretty standard. I have no idea why you decided to c/r the flop. Granted three people folded, but how often does that happen at a weak table? You got the exception, not the rule.

I'd actually LoL if it turned out the villan here was playing 10-3 sooted and won anyway. Not because of you or how you played it, I just find stuff like that funny. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

HoneyBadger · #5 07-20-2007, 11:16 AM

He's obviously raising this strong draw for value and to protect his ace outs. [/sarcasm]

gobbledygeek · #6 07-20-2007, 11:20 AM

Preflop is obvious complete at my loose/passive 2/4 table.

Flop I count somewhere around 5.5 outs; say 3 for a Three (due to diamond and bigger straight), 1 for Ace (due to diamond and bigger Ace) and 1.5 for BDFD. Getting 10:1 and closing the action I think this is easy to call. But why the raise? Even with 4 other players I don't think we have any pot equity advantage here.

Turn I now count all my Threes as good since it looks like UTG has already got a made hand so I'm not as worried about a flush or bigger straight. Getting 8:1 I think an easy call when you factor in hitting an Ace or another Two.

River I think I'd like more bets to somehow get into the pot as we now beat any two pair hand flopped by UTG. I think I'd check-raise although I'd hate to get 3bet; plus I'd also hate to have it checked thru. But it kinda worries me that UTG 3bet our flop check raise. I think I'm kinda leaning towards leading the river and kinda half hoping to call a raise?

GcluelessnoobG

Man of Means · #7 07-20-2007, 11:39 AM

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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by check-raising the flop.

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I'll agree that looking at it now, check/call is the superior play.

Maybe it was an out of position freecard play (some players will check turn with one pair to avoid a double checkraise). To enhance my crazy image and wake up the table? Most likely, I was thinking I have enough value to raise a field of 4, with up to 8 outs ... but I did not discount them properly.

I would make this raise in position sometimes though and the 3-bet isn't what proves it's incorrect.

Aces McGee · #8 07-20-2007, 11:42 AM

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Maybe it was an out of position freecard play (some players will check turn with one pair to avoid a double checkraise).

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Some might, but the likelihood of the four of them doing so is pretty slim.

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I would make this raise in position sometimes though and the 3-bet isn't what proves it's incorrect.

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Not entirely, but the possibility of being 3-bet is part of why it's incorrect.

-McGee

Befolder · #9 07-20-2007, 12:20 PM

Grunch.

Fold flop, fold turn, lead river. I see mistakes on every street.

Man of Means · #10 07-20-2007, 03:05 PM

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Grunch.
Fold flop, fold turn, lead river. I see mistakes on every street.

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why

c/r was bad but fold?

how can i fold flop for 1 bet getting 10:1 with gutshot, BDFD and Ace? The turn is close, would be closer to a fold if I had just called the flop bet.

for river i considered bet/fold, check/fold, and check/call

IMO Villain's range after 3-bet is AT, JJ+, sets, 54, with a possibility of AJdd+.